For The Unbelievers and Believers, A Struggle About Life

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    Something for everyone. Personally it made me cry.



    http://tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/article463230.ece

     
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    Let's say there is an afterlife.

    Do you think a just God will punish this man for honestly believing as he does?

    His non-faith seems as strong as his students' faith.

    Here is a good example of how two seperate groups can actually co-exist without the hate and name calling.:eusa_clap:
     
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    Your last line was my point in posting it in the first place.
     
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    Gey's artist wife, Irene Trakas, says her husband's beliefs and his closeness to students who don't share them probably go back to his very different childhood in Pensacola.

    He grew up in a Baptist household, but in high school, Gey was enrolled in a program for gifted students who were allowed to take college-level courses. Many of his classmates were Jewish. He had never known Jewish kids before, but became exposed to the Jewish traditions of independent thought and questioning of religious ideas. He also was suddenly exposed to anti-Semitism.

    He didn't want to become Jewish any more than he wanted to be Christian. "His intellect would not allow him to say that any one religion made a lot of sense," says his wife. But the exposure to a beleaguered religious minority roused his sense of justice. "He believed people ought to be able to believe whatever they want."

    Maybe that's why he has become close to his Christian law students, she says.

    "I think the students have come to feel he's not judging them. He will dismiss ideas that don't make sense to him, but only in the context of whether they belong in a legal system. He respects the choice of blind faith."

    • • •

    Gey was a much-quoted constitutional law expert during the battle over continuance of life support for Terri Schiavo. But no one is an expert on how to die.

    His disease offers only agonizing choices.

    Lou Gehrig's disease is amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, or ALS, a progressive, incurable disease that destroys motor neurons in the brain and spinal cord. Famed physicist Stephen Hawking has the hereditary kind, which is devastating, but not life-threatening. Gey has the nonhereditary kind, which kills by slow paralysis.

    One of the few hopeful avenues of ALS research has involved the transplanting of embryonic stem cells. Such research has been limited for seven years in the United States by religious conservatives and the Bush administration.

    His adversaries have erased his last chance.

    "The irony doesn't escape me."




    Sounds like a great mind is being silenced here.
     
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    Unsaved is unsaved, as pertains to your question about God punishing someone who is a good person, but unsaved.
    Here is the way it was explained to me, and which makes the most sense to me:
    You cannot have a righteous God, or a God who is a judge, if he does not admonish his children and separate out the wheat from the chaff.
    Sadly, those who have heard the word but reject it are the chaff.
    It's good that this gentleman's students are praying for him. I'm sure one of the things they are praying for is his salvation, and they must care deeply for him. This brings the Holy Spirit into play, and he will work on bringing this man to God...Many people come to believe at the end of their lives in just this way.
    When you are made anxious by this, try not to forget, the saved are accountable for their sins as well. We will all suffer judgment in the end. The only difference between unsaved and saved, in the eyes of CHristians, is that ultimately Christians will attain heaven and be allowed to live forever in God's presence. The unsaved will not.
    Don't believe this doesn't break the hearts of Christians all around the world. We all have unsaved loved ones, and we all pray for unsaved everywhere. So while you may be angry at our belief that the unsaved are, well, unsaved, please don't assume we're happy about it.
     
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    I wouldn't want any part of any G-d who was so vengeful as to deny salvation to righteous people. Luckily my religion doesn't ask me to. ;)
     
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    I think that if there was a god, it wouldn't be so petty and ungodlike as to care one way or the other if anyone believed in it.
     
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    Let's look at it like this, Sarah happens to be some random nice person that you do not know, would you let her in your house?? Would you let her borrow your car?? Probably NOT, because you do not know her; however, Bob is not only a nice person but you know him, you have a relationship with him, so you might let him in your house or even borrow your car.

    This example parallels with the God of the Bible, you may be a good person but He does not know you and you do not know Him, you do not believe in Him, you don’t have any faith in Him, your allegiance is to something or someone else, so why should He let you in His House? Makes sense to me. Keep in mind, faith, obedience and deeds go hand in hand in Christianity.

    However, as someone posted earlier, the saved, as in the ones who have confessed that Jesus is Lord and believes that he rose from the dead for our sins, are praying for the unsaved, the ones who are good people yet, misguided and the ones who are lost and being self-destructive.
     
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    Well, isn't that special!
    :rofl:
     
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