Five Principles Important to Believe?

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Which answer below is most accurate?

  1. The five statements quoted below are true.

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  2. Most of the five statements quoted below are true.

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  3. The five statements quoted below are not true.

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  4. Most of the five statements quoted below are not true.

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  1. Foxfyre
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    I was recently in a discussion related to the fact that almost 50% of Americans currently pay no federal income taxes, and a huge percentage of Americans continue to receive some kind of federal subsidy for various reasons. The discussion revolved around opinions of how long the nation could be sustained when there were many more takers than givers.

    Then. . .

    Gleanings from this morning's e-mail, source unknown:

    All these statements are paraphrases from other sources, but in my opinion, each describes a solid conservative principle. And each has real implications for what government policy should be depending on whether you agree or disagree with the statements.

    Please check the best answer in the poll and explain why you chose the one you did, or explain why you can't choose an answer.
     
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    1--I agree

    2--Too simplistic--need nuances. Can actually think of counter-examples in which a person gains without another person losing anything!! Therefore do not agree

    3--replace "government" with "business" and you have capitalisms basic mantra: You cannot gain without taking away from some one else. So why is this an important principle to live by? To make a profit by, I can understand, but why a principle to live by?

    4. Why would half the people think this way?? No-that is not the end of a nation.

    5. Unless you divide by numbers between 0 and 1!!
     
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    Where gain is achieved without participation by anybody else, I agree. But can you think of an example that does require some participation or contribution by another person in which one person gains without contributing anything while another person will not be giving up something?
     
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    In purely socialist societies where the government calls all the shots, apparently more than half the people do come to think that way which is why their economies always go into the toilet and the nation itself begins to unravel. Use the USSR as a good example of that.
     
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    Breaking up the robber barons not only made the former owner of Standard Oil even richer, it helped make many other people more wealthy by enabling others to take a cut.

    Ending the aristocracy as a part of the Liberal Revolution in France helped pave the way to the creation of the middle class and near-elimination of the peasantry.
    serendipity...

    Clarify. Respect, jobs, suffrage, and other things make your statement false. You need to word it better.
    The feudal era, the aristocracy, massive taxes, tribute, and capitalism all disprove this.

    You can by dividing it and investing it into the market to allow it to grow.
    More evidence that conservatives are ignorant and don't think about the things they say.

    Can I change my vote? As I went to respond I realized they're all inaccurate.
     
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    You don't now socialism, so you see it where it does not exist. The CCCP was a totalitarian oligarchy with a nationalized economy- totally counter the the principles of both communist and socialist ideology.
     
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    but you can make the impoverished lives a little less awful by helping feed and shelter the less fortunate, and no wealthy person has moved into the poor house because of tax dollars going to programs to help the poor.

    sounds nice but is bull, most wealth isnt worked for, work doesnt make you rich, the wealthy in this nation get rich through investments and the work of others.

    see above

    :eek: indeed so we must end the country club set and put trust fund types to work.

    yes you can, greed is bad, the little guy needs a piece of the pie too.
     
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    In bold.....are you serious with this?
    I am wealthy...worked my ass off all my life. Worked 14 hour days the last two weeks so my people that "do the work for me" can have off for the holiday's
     
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