First arrest under new Arizona law.

[MisterBeale]

Has anyone ever noticed that the people most worried about the state spying on them are the very people the state - not to mention all other people - are LEAST likely to give a damn about?

Astute observation, though I am wondering if you have any point, or are in fact trying to say anything at all.

She allegedly also proclaimed Socrates to be the wisest man in Greece, to which Socrates said that, if so, this was because he alone was aware of his own ignorance.

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I think you have missed the point. I'm not so much worried about the state spying on me. If I were, I would continue about my life, I have an enjoyable one, many things to do, I'm just fine. What I am more concerned about, is you, my fellow countrymen. The person that might not be as well informed. For it is true, I am like the vagabond philosopher, harmless to all.

I think those who aren't aware of how the system works, those who don't understand the real intent of Facebook, they are the ones that should probably listen up. But then, I expect to be attacked by those who would prefer to think that the government is stripping civil rights and civil liberties to "protect" them rather than to control them and keep itself safe from the people, rather than keep the people safe. However, I think I have done my work here. The direction this thread has taken has indeed proven fruitful. People here are not complete dullards now, are they?

 

[MisterBeale]

It's interesting for a person that claims "I don't bother to ever watch T.V. or stay plugged into popular culture" would use a movie clip to support his argument.[/QUOTE]
Then you missed the point why, there were two.

Number one, if I linked to an external source of anything for you to read, you wouldn't, so why bother doing research for your benefit?

Number two,

Enemy of the State (1998)
R 132 min - Action | Drama | Thriller - 20 November 1998 (USA)

If you watch the movie, understand the technologies in it, understand the plot and what the implications are for the security state, and how much the state wants to implement those technologies onto the nation, it leads you to the question, what sort of event would be necessary to have the nation allow the government use those invasive technologies in every citizens life? Hmmmm?

Perhaps if you took a CIA asset like Tim Osman, worked with the Mossad and their Salafi infiltrated movement. . . but nah, never mind, that's crazy talk.

On the other hand. You ever watch Aaron Russo's "Freedom to Fascism?"

 

[Againsheila]

If you were paying attention and I assume you were, you would know the premise of the show.

He went on about how there's a "super computer" that's watching and listening to everyone in this country....etc..

And that is pretty much the premise of the show.

It's big brother on steroids.

Listen, I explained to you what was going on in the world, and you told me, "Oh yeah, I recognize that, it's a show on my T.V."

So what if it is, I don't watch you T.V. I read books, and research articles. That is what I do, I READ. Television producers get their ideas from reality and what is going on in the world. The mere fact that you would accuse me of being ignorant because I don't bother to ever watch T.V. or stay plugged into popular culture I find ignorant to the extreme. You do know they call it "programing" for a reason? Television IS NOT reality. You view your reality and life through a warped prism.

Do not forget, reading and discussion between intellectuals did come and does come BEFORE screen writers and producers decide to make television shows for people to lazy to pay attention to what is going on in the world and too lazy to READ about how the world works. If you don't see the irony of you calling me ignorant because I have described one of your television shows after they have made what I have described, I don't see there is any helping you. This is something that I have known has been going on for well over decade. If they are making a movies about it, and printing literature about it, the technology has been around for some time, well before your silly little show. . .

Obviously since posting any intense reading is going to cause you to lose interest, how about I post a full movie that predates your precious show by FOURTEEN YEARS. It amounts to the same thing. They were telling us back then (Pre-911) what was possible. Can you even conceive of what is now possible? Remember, what ever they put into fiction on screen is only half of what is actually possible. But then, if you read, you would know that.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcKR5X5cz7g&feature=channel&list=UL]Enemy Of The State Pt1 - YouTube[/ame]

(If you go watch this video at the YouTube site, all twelve parts are auto-linked together)

You assume a lot.

And it makes you look even more ignorant.

It's interesting for a person that claims "I don't bother to ever watch T.V. or stay plugged into popular culture" would use a movie clip to support his argument.

Anybody else throwing up their hands in frustration?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Listen, I explained to you what was going on in the world, and you told me, "Oh yeah, I recognize that, it's a show on my T.V."

So what if it is, I don't watch you T.V. I read books, and research articles. That is what I do, I READ. Television producers get their ideas from reality and what is going on in the world. The mere fact that you would accuse me of being ignorant because I don't bother to ever watch T.V. or stay plugged into popular culture I find ignorant to the extreme. You do know they call it "programing" for a reason? Television IS NOT reality. You view your reality and life through a warped prism.

Do not forget, reading and discussion between intellectuals did come and does come BEFORE screen writers and producers decide to make television shows for people to lazy to pay attention to what is going on in the world and too lazy to READ about how the world works. If you don't see the irony of you calling me ignorant because I have described one of your television shows after they have made what I have described, I don't see there is any helping you. This is something that I have known has been going on for well over decade. If they are making a movies about it, and printing literature about it, the technology has been around for some time, well before your silly little show. . .

Obviously since posting any intense reading is going to cause you to lose interest, how about I post a full movie that predates your precious show by FOURTEEN YEARS. It amounts to the same thing. They were telling us back then (Pre-911) what was possible. Can you even conceive of what is now possible? Remember, what ever they put into fiction on screen is only half of what is actually possible. But then, if you read, you would know that.

Enemy Of The State Pt1 - YouTube

(If you go watch this video at the YouTube site, all twelve parts are auto-linked together)

You assume a lot.

And it makes you look even more ignorant.

It's interesting for a person that claims "I don't bother to ever watch T.V. or stay plugged into popular culture" would use a movie clip to support his argument.

Anybody else throwing up their hands in frustration?

Yes

 

[GuyPinestra]

guess that just goes to show two people can see the same thing and come away with two different ideas as to what it was.

The clip was NARRATED. In this instance I think Lonestar is in denial.

Clip was also edited.

No shit Sherlock, EVERY clip played on the fucking NEWS is edited. Do you have a point, or are you just arguing because you're too fucking pig-headed to admit when you're WRONG?

9 times out of 10 I agree with you, but in THIS case...

You're wrong, just admit it and let it go.

 

[Unkotare]

For it is true, I am like the vagabond philosopher

 

[Jarlaxle]

A DL is NOT proof of citizenship.

edit: I think that once someone is arrested-then their legal status should absolutely be checked, but not until then.

But if they don't have their driver's license when pulled over they should be held until they can produce it.

I agree that they should be...but what does that have to do with the fact that a DL is NOT proof of citizenship? It's one thing for a LEO to ask somebody for their DL if they're driving, and were pulled over. I'm 100% ok with that. But asking somebody for documentation to prove their legal status is a different standard. That's what I have issue with.

You would be required to carry your passport, green card, or other documentation that proves your legal status-because a DL is not good enough. It's the reason why when you re-enter the U.S. you need more than a DL. Try getting back into the country with just a DL-and they will not let you back in.

Remember this people: most of the posters on here (even those who support this law) don't carry documents proving their legal status on their person or car on a daily basis. Keep that in mind.

You might be surprised how many do. I do...I carry exactly the same documents that I used to prove my identity and legal status to my employer. So does my wife, plus another form of photo ID (she has a pistol permit).

 

[Jarlaxle]

Please do not quote someone else and attach my name to it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I considered it perfectly reasonable, and not at all "oppressive" or "fascist". It's not a big deal for a cop to ask for ID, especially when you consider that the convenience store clerks do it all the time.

Specious and naive. Every interaction with a police officer is "big deal". Potentially your biggest. Potentially the last thing you will ever do.

Convenience store clerks aren't authorized to kill you if they decide you aren't cooperating.

Spoken like someone with a guilty conscience and an industrial-strength case of paranoia. "Ohmigod, the cop asked me for my ID. He's going to shoot me!"

Get a frigging grip.