SavannahMann
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Unbelievable how Trump is disbanding the FBI. The GOP is at it again. How long must it go on? You right wingers are crazy nuts.
This is something I’ve never understood. Perhaps you can help me out here. Which FBI are we talking about? Is this the same FBI that ignored warnings about the Boston Marathon Bombing Guys because of a typo? Or is this the FBI that routinely scans for information on people’s Cell Phones using Stingray? Or is this the FBI that continues to use Hooveresque style abuses like the Carnivore Email scanning systems?
How about this. Is this the same FBI who put how many people in prison with the Junk Science technique of “lead matching”?
That is the problem with the FBI. When you look at the long history, you inevitably find abuses, violations, and flat assed criminality. Nothing has really changed since the days of Hoover. I mean, you could read the old Fred Cook book “The FBI nobody knows” today, and it would be essentially the same. If the book was written today, it would be the same.
So why now, are so many putting the FBI up on a pedestal? I mean, I get that you hate Trump. Fine. Whatever. But do you have to defend a group of crooks like the FBI to do it? I get the whole enemy of my enemy thing but really, do you realize what happens if you win? The FBI is back to the days of Hoover in full. It is beyond the laws of mere mortals again. It is once again untouchable. Is that really good for any of us? I get that you’re willing to take that chance because you hate Trump, and it looks like they are on your side, but do you really want a group of untouchables able to make or break political figures on a whim?
Any thoughts you have on this would be welcome. Well perhaps other than I am somehow automatically a racist, sexist, homophobic, hate filled, nut just because I don’t think Trump should be skinned alive while being drawn and quartered.
The cops are more crooked than the FBI. Look at the FBI site , they do a lot. A lot of cops in the cities are corrupt and even in small towns.
Regardless of Trump , if you say one thing neg about him, you are out of a job, we are becoming a banana republic.
Is there a difference between a bank robber and a guy who robs a gas station? Both are robbers. Thieves. Arguing that we can’t criticize the FBI because they are less corrupt in your opinion than local cops is ignoring the big point. They are still corrupt by your own admission.
FBI agents have gotten away with murder just like the local cops. FBI agents violate the law with impunity. I did not approve of the FBI under Bush. I did not suddenly approve of them under Obama. I am damn sure not going to become a cheerleader because of Trump.
Either your beliefs are based upon principles or they are worthless. Decide what you believe. Decide what your core beliefs are. Then stand for them. That is always worthy of respect. I may disagree with you on the issues. But arguing that Trump is awful for destroying an admittedly corrupt organization is not a core belief.
Because if the FBI survives this intact they will be unstoppable in the future.
I am, and the FBI , although some may be crooked, is not J.E Hoover anymore.
Oh God no. Hoover only dreamed of being able to collect some of the information that they get now. Stingray, Carnivore, and other collection programs were a fantasy for Hoover.
I mean Hoover could do an illegal wiretap. But he couldn’t tap all the phones. You could get around it by using pay phones before. Now. The FBI can activate the microphone in your pocket and record anything you say.
KTRE
Tracking the person you are interested in used to be a big production. Dozens of agents all switching in and out so the subject wouldn’t see the same face often enough to remember it. Now. Just track their cell phones. One agent can watch dozens of people in real time. Or hundreds. Or even thousands.
No. This is not Hoover’s FBI. If it was Hoover would have had an erection explode from the sheer joy.