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[Article 15]

What I don't understand is why they would give access to such sensitive information to a private.

Shouldn't that be reserved for officers and senior enlisted personnel?

You would be amazed at the number of eightteen and nineteen year old kids with a Top Secret SCI clearance.

 

[Sallow]

What is also amazing about this..is that we see the government out and out lying about crap and not many conservatives getting pissed about it. The video showing a helicopter opening up on un-armed civilians was chilling. The government said they fired on the helicopter first. And clearly that was not the case. So all of a sudden the conservatives go all federalist on us?

 

[Ravi]

What I don't understand is why they would give access to such sensitive information to a private.

Shouldn't that be reserved for officers and senior enlisted personnel?

You would be amazed at the number of eightteen and nineteen year old kids with a Top Secret SCI clearance.

And normally without a problem.

 

[Article 15]

What I don't understand is why they would give access to such sensitive information to a private.

Shouldn't that be reserved for officers and senior enlisted personnel?

You would be amazed at the number of eightteen and nineteen year old kids with a Top Secret SCI clearance.

And normally without a problem.

Correct

 

[Paulie]

What I don't understand is why they would give access to such sensitive information to a private.

Shouldn't that be reserved for officers and senior enlisted personnel?

You would be amazed at the number of eightteen and nineteen year old kids with a Top Secret SCI clearance.

I got my TS at 20.

I didn't learn sensitive info though, I was required to have that level because of being around nukes.

But yeah, rank doesn't necessarily have much bearing on what info someone learns. The fact that you have the TS clearance to begin with is what establishes the trust.

 

[Paulie]

Seriously though...

The info this kid allegedly leaked is weak as hell. This shit is NOTHING.

I don't know why people are losing their minds over this. If anything, that info makes SENSE for just a Private to have. It's small potatoes.

When we find out that he gave away locations of secret bases, clearance codes, missile launch codes, etc, then come talk to me.

 

[Ravi]

Seriously though...

The info this kid allegedly leaked is weak as hell. This shit is NOTHING.

I don't know why people are losing their minds over this. If anything, that info makes SENSE for just a Private to have. It's small potatoes.

When we find out that he gave away locations of secret bases, clearance codes, missile launch codes, etc, then come talk to me.

I agree that nothing leaked is something to get upset about. However, the fact that he leaked it means he betrayed his oath and the dipshit Ozzie is obviously hostile to the US.

 

[Paulie]

Seriously though...

The info this kid allegedly leaked is weak as hell. This shit is NOTHING.

I don't know why people are losing their minds over this. If anything, that info makes SENSE for just a Private to have. It's small potatoes.

When we find out that he gave away locations of secret bases, clearance codes, missile launch codes, etc, then come talk to me.

I agree that nothing leaked is something to get upset about. However, the fact that he leaked it means he betrayed his oath and the dipshit Ozzie is obviously hostile to the US.

For all we know, the leaker actually HAD the good stuff and chose not to release anything that detrimental.

Assuming automatically that any of this is "hostility" is hasty.

This is why the people involved need their day in court.

The bottom line is that you don't really know anything about this other than what the media has been feeding you.

 

[Ravi]

The media did not make up that Manning leaked TS information or that Asswipe published it.

 

[Paulie]

The media did not make up that Manning leaked TS information or that Asswipe published it.

I understand that. But you still don't know all the facts. You can only assume it was hostile.

"Arab allies urged US to strike Iran"

Not only is that not "hostile" information to leak, it's not the least bit surprising. I mean, I just had NO IDEA that our Arab allies would want us to attack Iran

This is why I said come talk to me when we find out he leaked the IMPORTANT stuff.

 

[Valerie]

The media did not make up that Manning leaked TS information or that Asswipe published it.

I understand that. But you still don't know all the facts. You can only assume it was hostile.

"Arab allies urged US to strike Iran"

Not only is that not "hostile" information to leak, it's not the least bit surprising. I mean, I just had NO IDEA that our Arab allies would want us to attack Iran

This is why I said come talk to me when we find out he leaked the IMPORTANT stuff.

What's important is that the confidential info was stolen illegally and he admitted what he did which is why he is being rightfully detained.

 

[Valerie]

Confidentiality is an IMPORTANT component of foreign diplomacy.



'Diplomatic catastrophe'

The document release will contain more than 250,000 cables and 8,000 diplomatic directives - mostly from the last five years.

According to White House sources cited by a correspondent of the US website Politico, none of the documents are classified as 'Top Secret'. But reportedly six per cent are listed as 'Secret' and 40 per cent as "confidential".
WikiLeaks 'hacked' before release :: www.uruknet.info :: informazione dal medio oriente :: information from middle east :: [vs-1]

 

[blu]

Seriously though...

The info this kid allegedly leaked is weak as hell. This shit is NOTHING.

I don't know why people are losing their minds over this. If anything, that info makes SENSE for just a Private to have. It's small potatoes.

When we find out that he gave away locations of secret bases, clearance codes, missile launch codes, etc, then come talk to me.

didnt one of the cables list sensitive buildings around the world? including nuke faciltiies, oil, etc

 

[Valerie]

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How Manning Stole The Cables


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Many outside the military and diplomatic communities have wondered just how such a large amount of sensitive missives could have been taken. As a public service, Conflict Health is very pleased to publish a guest article from Captain Nick Dubaz, an Active Duty Army Civil Affairs Officer, explaining in full technical detail how it happened.

A number of commenters on the latest Wikileaks release have questioned how one junior enlisted Army intelligence analyst could possibly have collected and stolen such a massive number of documents unaided and undiscovered. Indeed, the very mention of “intelligence” evokes notions of secure, guarded, windowless facilities under constant surveillance employing the latest biometric technology to secure America’s secrets. This image may have once been partially true in the case of Top Secret and Compartmented information, but the distributed nature of our modern intelligence community and the proliferation of secret network access necessitated by our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan has fundamentally changed both protection of and access to classified information. The technical methods Private First Class Bradley Manning, the accused leaker, may have used to obtain and steal the material and transmit it to Wikileaks are simple and demonstrate the intelligence community’s vulnerability to an insider threat.

All mission traffic in Iraq and Afghanistan occurs on computer systems classified at the Secret-Releasable to NATO/ISAF level or above. Historically, mission traffic occurred at the Secret-NOFORN (Not Releasable to Foreign Nationals) level on the SIPR network (Secret Internet Protocol Router) and non-US elements operated on separate networks known as CENTRIX segregated by organizational membership (NATO, ISAF, etc). This caused significant information sharing problems and now lower level U.S. forces are transitioning many functions to CENTRIX to create a common mission network. Regardless, these information systems are now present at every Company-level headquarters and above, providing wide access to Secret-level intelligence and diplomatic information processed and disseminated on the network. Access to Top Secret (TS) and Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) information systems remains much more limited, but is still partially vulnerable to Bradley Manning-like insider threats.

The Wikileaks reports on Iraq and Afghanistan are from a system known as CIDNE (Combined Information/Data Network Exchange) which is the latest iteration of the database of record for all tactical reporting across the OIF and OEF theaters. The release is only a tiny percentage of the actual data contained in the database. Each record in the Wikileaks release is only the initial text report often transcribed from the radio or secret chat rooms. After the incident/action is completed, each record is typically updated with new information, pictures, videos, PowerPoints and other relevant documentation. To allow for transfer into incompatible systems and other software packages, CIDNE includes an “Export to Excel” feature that allows for the rapid filtering and transfer of records to other systems. Bradley Manning likely utilized this feature to export the comprehensive CIDNE database that he would later transmit to Wikileaks. Such an action could be completed in less than an hour depending on the bandwidth available and leaves no signature that would be readily noticed as unusual or alarming.


(cont...)
How Manning Stole The Cables ? Conflict Health

 

[Valerie]

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But who is Bradley Manning, and what motivated him?


Some insight into what drives him can be gleaned from the online chat he had from Iraq with a former hacker in which he talked about how he felt that no one had ever noticed him in life.

"[I'm] regularly ignored except when I had something essential then it was back to 'bring me coffee, then sweep the floor'," he told a fellow hacker who asked what he would do if his cover was blown during an online chat shortly after he is alleged to have sent the files to WikiLeaks. " felt like I was an abused work horse."

Manning even added an "emoticon" of a crying face :'(.

"I've been so isolated so long," he went on, adding he was "self-medicating like crazy". "I just wanted to be nice, and live a normal life … but events kept forcing me to figure out ways to survive … smart enough to know whats going on, but helpless to do anything … no one took any notice of me."

But he was also apparently filled with hope for what the leaks might achieve, having been buoyed by the public reaction to the Apache video, which had already been released, and hoped that he could do something positive.

"God knows what happens now," he said, having sent the material to WikiLeaks. "Hopefully worldwide discussion, debates, and reforms. If not … than we're doomed as a species. I will officially give up on the society we have if nothing happens. The reaction to the video gave me immense hope … CNN's iReport was overwhelmed … Twitter exploded …"

It is unlikely he would be disappointed with the coverage of the cables, which continue to lead news bulletins around the world. His chances of observing their impact from a position of freedom were shattered when the hacker he was talking to in May this year, Adrian Lamo, reported him to the federal authorities.

"I'd be one paranoid boy in your shoes," Lamo told him ominously. Within 24 hours officers from the US Army Criminal Investigation Command arrested Manning and took him into custody in Kuwait.

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Hillary Clinton, the secretary of state, said it "tore at the fabric of government" and pledged "aggressive steps to hold responsible those who stole this information". Republicans branded it terrorism.

Manning faces a court martial and up to 52 years in prison for his alleged role in copying the diplomatic cables, as well as the leak of military logs about incidents in Afghanistan and Iraq and a classified military video which showed a crew of an American Apache helicopter gunning down a group of men who they thought had a rocket launcher. They turned out to include Reuters staff with a TV camera.

WikiLeaks cables: Bradley Manning faces 52 years in jail | World news | The Guardian

 

[blu]

They let him out of his cell for an hour? Fuck that! 24/7 in an 8'-10' cell for the rest of his natural life would be fine with me.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-flame-zone/146760-california-girl-is-one-dumbass-hyprocite.html

 

[California Girl]

They let him out of his cell for an hour? Fuck that! 24/7 in an 8'-10' cell for the rest of his natural life would be fine with me.

You always say you like to wait for ALL facts before forming an opinion.

Considering this kid hasn't had his day in court yet, and until being convicted he is presumed innocent, how is it that you've come to such a hasty and extreme conclusion?

she hates the constitution and advocates mob justice. just ignore her

Nice neg comment, blu. "Stupid, stupid bitch" Are you getting a tad hysterical about the whole thing. Had Manning refuted the charges, I would be less inclined to hang the guy. However, he has confessed to the crime.

You do make an ass of yourself often, little man. This is one of those times. I guess you must be used to it by now.

 

[blu]

You always say you like to wait for ALL facts before forming an opinion.

Considering this kid hasn't had his day in court yet, and until being convicted he is presumed innocent, how is it that you've come to such a hasty and extreme conclusion?

she hates the constitution and advocates mob justice. just ignore her

Nice neg comment, blu. "Stupid, stupid bitch" Are you getting a tad hysterical about the whole thing. Had Manning refuted the charges, I would be less inclined to hang the guy. However, he has confessed to the crime.

You do make an ass of yourself often, little man. This is one of those times. I guess you must be used to it by now.

you, the advocate of anti-constitutional practices, are the only one making a fool of yourself

 

[Paulie]

Seriously though...

The info this kid allegedly leaked is weak as hell. This shit is NOTHING.

I don't know why people are losing their minds over this. If anything, that info makes SENSE for just a Private to have. It's small potatoes.

When we find out that he gave away locations of secret bases, clearance codes, missile launch codes, etc, then come talk to me.

didnt one of the cables list sensitive buildings around the world? including nuke faciltiies, oil, etc

I don't know. But as far as I know, having worked with nuclear missiles as my job in the Air Force, the locations of our nukes are not secret.

 

[Capitalist]

What is also amazing about this..is that we see the government out and out lying about crap and not many conservatives getting pissed about it. The video showing a helicopter opening up on un-armed civilians was chilling. The government said they fired on the helicopter first. And clearly that was not the case. So all of a sudden the conservatives go all federalist on us?

Federalist?
Do the Federalist papers have a lot to say about the UCMJ?
What Federalist paper would that be?
I just want to learn..............