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Mike
She actually has a legitimate point here.
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I will pay you a dollar via paypal to the next relevant post you make.
Mike
Gonzalez was forced to resign no? Reno & Holder have not been held accoutable for their horrific crimes. It's time for that to happen. Reno especially,has the blood of many innocent American women & children on her hands. She was never brought to justice. It's just a a disturbing pattern i've noticed with Democratic Attorney Generals. They seem to view fellow American Citizens as the enemy. Holder has to go. He is an enemy of the State.
Lest we see more scenarios as this:
Confirm and conform. Become the Statist you can be...or else...
Boy,talk about Nazi Storm Troopers? That was a terrible abuse of power by Reno. The woman has never been held accountable for her crimes. Holder hasn't either.
This is much larger than I/C by a long shot. I note that the Obama protectors better known as the media aren't covering this as they did on I/C...Your Taxpayer Dollars armed the Mexican Drug Cartels and caused an untold amount of brutal murders. Seems pretty criminal to me. Holder needs to be held accountable.
Like Iran Contra.... Only more transparent and without the President lying!
This program was conceived to give government an excuse for an all out assault on our 2nd amendment rights. I hope all involved rot in our worst prisons and some get tried for the murder of Brian Terry. May they all burn in hell!
It sounds like a sting to try and trace illegal gun sales to criminals, to include Mexican cartels like the Zetas.
In other words, to crack down on the guys conducting illegal weapons trafficking.
And it sounds like they botched it.
However, since the 2nd amendment fanatics talking point is always: "No new gun laws! Enforce the laws on the books!" I fail to see what the problem is with trying to keep weapons from being illegally distributed.
Law enforcement does this with narcotics all the time.
Does it look bad? Definitely. It's tragic a border guard was killed with a weapon our government put on the street.
What does this have to do with legitimate gun owners who legally have purchased weapons?
This program was conceived to give government an excuse for an all out assault on our 2nd amendment rights. I hope all involved rot in our worst prisons and some get tried for the murder of Brian Terry. May they all burn in hell!
It sounds like a sting to try and trace illegal gun sales to criminals, to include Mexican cartels like the Zetas.
In other words, to crack down on the guys conducting illegal weapons trafficking.
And it sounds like they botched it.
However, since the 2nd amendment fanatics talking point is always: "No new gun laws! Enforce the laws on the books!" I fail to see what the problem is with trying to keep weapons from being illegally distributed.
Law enforcement does this with narcotics all the time.
Does it look bad? Definitely. It's tragic a border guard was killed with a weapon our government put on the street.
What does this have to do with legitimate gun owners who legally have purchased weapons?
Ya Just gotta wonder about this..
Law enforcement has ALL sorts of dodgy tactics that wind up killing innocent people.
Like:
-No knock warrants.
-Undercovers buying and selling drugs.
-Undercovers in general (No identification making arrests)
-Law inforcement lying to suspects.
-Use of informants.
-Use of items bait cars and other items to entrap criminals.
And a myriad of other things that go horribly wrong a good amount of times.
NOT ONE PEEP from conservatives.
In fact..if any of this is brought up..Conservatives defend the government use of these tactics.
NOW..to track guns..under the Obama administration..it's a "problem".
Wonder why..
Why do Democratic Attorney Generals hate fellow American Citizens so much? Fellow Americans always seem to be their victims. It really is shocking that Reno & Holder have not been held accountable for their crimes. Those two are much bigger enemies of this Nation than anyone else. They're downright dangerous.
Why can't you discuss this issue without hyperbole?
Ruby Ridge was a screw up. Waco was a screw up.
However, in both cases, a catastrophe was prompted when American citizens refused to obey the law. If the government has a warrant, they are coming in. You don't just get to tell them to fuck off. That's the way the law works and has always worked, no matter how much you guys want to make it seem like this is some sort of fascist state.
The story begins in the fall of 2009, when the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) office in Phoenix, Arizona, began selling weapons to small-time gun buyers in the hopes of tracing them to major weapons traffickers along the southwestern border and into Mexico. Their efforts failed, the number of arms unaccounted for numbers around 1,500 as of late July, and about two-thirds of those guns ended up in Mexico, according to congressional testimony.
Tragically, the botched operation has had serious consequences. On the night of December 15, 2010, U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was shot and killed during an effort to catch several bandits targeting illegal immigrants in Arizona near the border. When law enforcement rushed to the scene, they discovered two of the killers assault rifles that were among those sold as part of Operation Fast and Furious. Additionally, 57 Fast and Furious weapons have been connected to at least an additional 11 violent crimes in the U.S.
In December 2010, ATF agent Vince Cefalu spoke out about the operation before the first reports on the story appeared in February. FoxNews.com reports that Cefalu said at the time, Simply put, we knowingly let hundreds of guns and dozens of identified bad guys go across the border. Other agents later came forward, congressional hearings have been held, and President Barack Obama called the operation a serious mistake. Cefalu, though, was forced to resign.
The story begins in the fall of 2009, when the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) office in Phoenix, Arizona, began selling weapons to small-time gun buyers in the hopes of tracing them to major weapons traffickers along the southwestern border and into Mexico. Their efforts failed, the number of arms unaccounted for numbers around 1,500 as of late July, and about two-thirds of those guns ended up in Mexico, according to congressional testimony.
Okay. That's a classic STING operation. They were seeking to discovery the major players in the gun trade.
Tragically, the botched operation has had serious consequences. On the night of December 15, 2010, U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was shot and killed during an effort to catch several bandits targeting illegal immigrants in Arizona near the border. When law enforcement rushed to the scene, they discovered two of the killers assault rifles that were among those sold as part of Operation Fast and Furious. Additionally, 57 Fast and Furious weapons have been connected to at least an additional 11 violent crimes in the U.S.
And obviously the operation went SNAFU
In December 2010, ATF agent Vince Cefalu spoke out about the operation before the first reports on the story appeared in February. FoxNews.com reports that Cefalu said at the time, Simply put, we knowingly let hundreds of guns and dozens of identified bad guys go across the border. Other agents later came forward, congressional hearings have been held, and President Barack Obama called the operation a serious mistake. Cefalu, though, was forced to resign.
And the leader of this failed OP feel on his sword.
Shit happens.
The penalty for conducting an OP that fails ought to be the dismissal of those in charge of it.
What's the problem?
It sounds like a sting to try and trace illegal gun sales to criminals, to include Mexican cartels like the Zetas.
In other words, to crack down on the guys conducting illegal weapons trafficking.
And it sounds like they botched it.
However, since the 2nd amendment fanatics talking point is always: "No new gun laws! Enforce the laws on the books!" I fail to see what the problem is with trying to keep weapons from being illegally distributed.
Law enforcement does this with narcotics all the time.
Does it look bad? Definitely. It's tragic a border guard was killed with a weapon our government put on the street.
What does this have to do with legitimate gun owners who legally have purchased weapons?
Ya Just gotta wonder about this..
Law enforcement has ALL sorts of dodgy tactics that wind up killing innocent people.
Like:
-No knock warrants.
-Undercovers buying and selling drugs.
-Undercovers in general (No identification making arrests)
-Law inforcement lying to suspects.
-Use of informants.
-Use of items bait cars and other items to entrap criminals.
And a myriad of other things that go horribly wrong a good amount of times.
NOT ONE PEEP from conservatives.
In fact..if any of this is brought up..Conservatives defend the government use of these tactics.
NOW..to track guns..under the Obama administration..it's a "problem".
Wonder why..
Well, yeah, it's a problem when you hand over guns to narco-terrorists and they kill law enforcement officers. That's a little more serious than using a "bait car" to catch a druggie...
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Dallas city council members have been briefed on a wrongful death lawsuit filed by the family Anna Reyes who was killed when a suspect driving a police bait car hit the car she was driving, city documents show. They will vote Wednesday on whether or not to authorize a settlement of $245,000.
I will pay you a dollar via paypal to the next relevant post you make.
Mike
She actually has a legitimate point here.
Janet Reno got away with slaughtering fellow American Citizens and it looks like Holder will as well. But why? Because they're Democrats and our Mainstream Media is corrupt and biased. How can Holder still be Attorney General? It's mind boggling.
When?
So you like whistle blowers now?
You used to call them all disgruntled Employees under Bush
Holder should be arrested for Murder. Reno too.
The Justice Department has been less than forthcoming since day one, so the revisions here are hardly surprising, and the numbers will likely rise until the more than 1,000 guns that were allowed to fall into the hands of bad guys are recovered -- most likely years down the road," Grassley said in a statement released Thursday.
"What were still waiting for are the answers to the other questions the Attorney General failed to answer per our agreement. The cooperation of the Attorney General and his staff is needed if were ever going to get to the bottom of this disastrous policy and help the ATF and the department move forward.