Fast and Furious - Why?

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    Been following this story for a long time, still trying to figure out the rationale for doing it in the 1st place. If the idea is to track the weapons, why weren't GPS devices put into the guns before they were sold?

    The only thing that makes any sense (actually very little) is that the anti-gun liberals wanted to spotlight the selling of guns to criminals like the mexican cartels as an excuse to clamp down on gun rights. Can anybody provide a reasonable explanation for the program?

    I would add this about AG Holder, either he did know about it and lied to Congress, or he should've known. I mean c'mon, a program that sells hundreds of guns to criminals and nobody tells him about it? That kind of program is put into effect without his knowledge? Sorry, no sale here.
     
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    Increased Mexican gun violence suits a political end.....even more perceived upside if it spills into the US.
     
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    Well, I was hoping for somebody to offer a different perspective that makes more sense than this. I mean, I know that the left is anti-gun and would love to discredit and limit gun sales. But to go this far, with such a hare-brained idea, would they really be that dumb?
     
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    Try an attempt at fomenting outrage by the result as you post... ending up bolstering an attempt for Obama and Holder to further circumvent the 2nd Amendment.

    Thing is? It backfired.
     
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    From what I understand, this program began in the previous administration, near the end of their term and much less in size. The arms were being tracked. The name of the operation was called Gun Runner.

    Under the Obama administration, it was changed to Fast and Furious and funding was increased, signed by the president. The initial idea as told to the arms merchant that the arms were going to be tracked a sting operation was going to be done federal agency operatives were under the same opinion. But when the watch was cancelled after the guns were purchased, one agent took it upon himself to keep an eye on where the weapons were being housed and told the agency involved. He was told that if he continued his surveillance he would be suspended. He ended up being the whistleblower.

    Rumors were out that news was leaking and when the Senator was shot in the head (can't remember her name now) their was worries that the weapon may have been one from the Fast and Furious operation. That did not turn out to be true, but the worries were there., But it did out to be true when the border agent was murdered and everything came to light.

    Why? It didn't make sense but rumor was that it was about gun control and politcal issues. That could never be proven by a second person as far as I have read.
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    Liberals are insane. When you get a grip on that, you start to understand them.

    This Fast and Furious makes total sense to these whack jobs. Give a whole batch of Mexican drug dealers a whole batch of American firepower, blame American gun owners, and somewhere out there a Democrat like Maxine Waters will go....

    see it's our fault.

    okey dokey.
     
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    There you go again answering your own question...
     
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    1) Bush's project was " "Operation Wide Receiver" not gun runner!
    2) Differences between the two


    FACTS first of all:
    Kurt Hofmann, the St. Louis Gun Rights Examiner,
    "Well, for one, four or five years ago, we didn't have the administration (from the President on down), the mass media, and "gun control" advocates incessantly claiming that, "[Some variable, but invariably wildly inflated] percentage of seized Mexican crime guns come from the U.S.," imposing on us the moral imperative to "strengthen" our "weak gun laws."

    We didn't have a requirement in the southwest border states to report multiple long gun sales--a requirement for which "walked" guns ouf of "Operation Fast and Furious" were used as justification. Nor did we have guns "walked" from Indiana to Chicago used to attempt to impose extra reporting requirements on and Indiana gun dealer.

    At this point, we don't seem to have any evidence that earlier "gunwalking" involved the FBI, the DEA, DHS, the State Department, the IRS, and even the White House Security Council."
    No Lawyers - Only Guns and Money: Sharyl Attkisson Report On Operation Wide Receiver


    Kurt is correct that this should be investigated as well. He is also very correct in saying that the signs of failure of Operation Wide Receiver were known by 2009 and that it should have been a warning about going ahead with Operation Fast and Furious.
     

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