F35 - superfighter or lame duck?

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  1. DrainBamage
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    Let's have more fun with this ignorance. F-35 currently can carry 4 AAMs internally, and will carry 6 AAMs internally with scheduled block 4 upgrade.

    So when you criticize it by saying one must believe a one missile one kill mantra, do you really think that makes sense given common air-to-air loadouts of most combat aircraft? You don't have to answer that, and really we know you won't since you're really good at saying something stupid but not usually interested in standing up for what you post.


    Let's count the missiles on an F-16... hey it's four! According to Manonthestreet this plane is fatally flawed since one must believe in one missile one kill mantra.

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    Dang it someone tell these planes that Manonthestreet says it doesn't make sense to be intercepting that Bear with only those missiles.

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    Yikes 4 AAMs for this F-18, clearly he's not as smart as Manonthestreet since air combat is ineffective with 4 missiles.

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    Even the Russians are running afoul of Manonthestreet's wisdom

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    Bottom line = 6 AAMs is plenty for most air-to-air combat loads, and if they are running offensive counter-air they could always use a combination of stealthy F-35s carrying internally and missile trucks carrying 14 AIM-120Ds by using the wing pylons.
     
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    As compare to what?
     
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    Hi! Here we are 18 months later.

    F-35 inventory soars in new Pentagon spending bill

    "Beyond the 77 F-35 Joint Strike Fighters authorized by the 2019 defense policy bill, congressional appropriators are adding another 16 for a total of 93"

    Sure sounds like the opposite of the program death spiral you keep on predicting.
     
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    USMC just used F-35B for air strikes in Afghanistan, just three years after IOC. To put that in perspective F-22 which I've seen posts in this forum saying "at least it's seen combat" was IOC in 2005 and flew it's first combat mission in 2014.

    It's a new capability for USMC's amphibs, AV-8B has a combat radius of only 300 miles with drop tanks which would not have allowed them to perform air strikes Afghanistan from Essex without refueling, but F-35B combat radius is slightly over 500 miles on internal fuel. USMC can now use aircraft from amphibs to strike farther, strike faster, and perform missions like air superiority, SEAD/DEAD, precision bombing and ISR in heavily contested airspace, electronic attack, etc. that they couldn't do before.
     
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    You know what's hilarious about this statement? That 15-1 kill ratio was in exercises like Red Flag, since F-22 has never seen air combat.

    Yet what happened when F-35 put up similarly gaudy 20-1 kill ratio numbers in exercises? You dismiss it as propaganda, despite pilots from various services and various countries saying it outright dominates.
     
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    The later upgrades to the F-4 got rid of the smoking trails it was famous for. Plus, the slatted E made it into a great turn and burn fighter. Until the F-15 was ironed out, there really wasn't anything out there as good as the F-4 as a multirole fighter or an interceptor. Thinkof this, it took 2 Fighters to take over the jobs that the F-4 was doing. That says loads just how good the F-4 was in the 70s. But by 1980, the F-15 and the F-16 came into their own and the F-4s day was done. I was heartbroken when they turned them into Target Drones. Not the way for such a proud bird to go out.

    Now, it's the F-16s day that will end sooner than later. When they get the number of F-35s in service, I suspect that the F-16s will meet the same fate. The F-15 will make it a bit longer as there is nothing out there in enough numbers to replace them as of this time. But it's going to happen. We just don't know what that will be yet.
     
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    I thought the venerable F-4 made it into the 1990s in the Wild Weasel role?
     
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    The F-4G was introduced in the 70s replacing the Raven. It was still being used into the early 90s but was being slowly replaced by the F-16 version starting in the 80s.
     
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