F35 - superfighter or lame duck?

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    Related info on ManOnTheStreet's international partners wisdom: Saudis Join UAE in Push to Buy F-35s as Concerns About the Jet's Computer Network Grow

    On Nov. 12, 2017, Defense News reported that Saudi Arabia is now seeking entry into the F-35 club. At the 2017 Dubai Air Show, American and Emirati officials have also confirmed that the UAE is in discussions with the United States about buying as many as 24 Joint Strike Fighters. These announcements followed reports earlier in November 2017 that Germany sees the stealthy fighter jet as the “preferred choice” to replace its aging Panavia Tornados.
     
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    What Monoboy doesn't understand, part of the cost of the F-35 was learning how to assemble it with the right parts and allowing room for expansion.

    Baked in Stealth in all external panels. This means that the panel can be removed and replaced and then sent into to Field Maintenance for repair without taking the bird out of service for long. The B-2 and F-22 have to be sent to the paint shop, painted with special paint and then cured for at least 3 days. There are two new birds that greatly benefit from the F-35 method and that is the new 6th gen and the B-21.

    Leaving empty spots inside of the fuselage and wings. This greatly enables it to be easily upgraded with new systems without having to modify the main assembly. The F-35 will be the first Fighter to receive the new Laser they are playing with. The B-2 and F-22 are purpose built and really don't have the room to expand like that easily.

    Having Engines that generate much more electric power than needed. This means that they can power more addons internally or externally. Hence the F-35A is progged to receive the first Fighter Laser. The EA-18G is just short of not having enough electric power to expand. Yes, you can hang all kinds of things to make it almost equal in some areas to the F-35 but the more you add, the slower, less manueverable and shorter ranged it becomes until it's just not useable. Again, the new B-21 and 6th gen fighter benefit from this.

    Sensors in the Skin. The F-22 has a few sensors but not nearly as many as the F-35. The F-35 has sensors built into it's leading, trailing and side surfaces. The B-21 and 6th gen fighter expand on that and use it's whole skin for sensors.

    The high cost of the F-35 will greatly reduce the cost of both the new 6th gen fighter and the B-21 making them many times better than the birds they replace. This is why when the B-21 is introduced into service, they will replace the B-2 one for one for the first 100 and then replace the B-1 one for one after that. At some point, the bomber fleet will be made up of only two bombers, the B-21 and B-52 (but that's another story we will get into later)

    The new 6th gen fighters will not replace the F-16 nor the F-15. They will replace the F-22 which has a very high operation cost. Nor will the 6th gen fighter, at first, replace the F-35 but that will happen later. But the rest of the world had better enjoy the F-35 since the 6th gen won't be exportable just like the F-22 isn't.

    Due to the F-35 learning curve,, the B-21 and 6th gen fighter will be here faster since they only have to expand on the systems already on the F-35 plus add a few new ones. As the F-35 matures, it becomes more deadly until it will overshadow the F-22. No, it won't dogfight any better because of the fuselage and wings but it will get other additions that you can't put on the F-22. Those systems will be already matured for the new B-21 and 6th gen fighter so the costs are lower on them per unit, cost less to fly and more. Plus the R&D costs will be much less. I predict that the F-35 is an interim fighter for the US but not for the rest of the world. And it's going to happen within 10 years.
     
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    Looks like Japan, who unlike manonthestreet has actually flown F-35s and sees what they can do, is doubling down.

    Exclusive: Japan to buy at least 20 more F-35A stealth fighters -...
    Exclusive: Japan to buy at least 20 more F-35A stealth fighters - sources
    The sources said buying complete aircraft from the United States, at about $100 million each, will save Japan about $30 million per airframe. The purchase will add to an earlier order for 42 of the fighters, most of which are being constructed at a “final assembly and check out” plant in Japan operated by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (7011.T), the country’s leading defense contractor.

    I know manonthestreet has lost all interest in responding to this thread as actual events over time have again and again demonstrated how ridiculous all his earlier claims were, so I'm guessing we won't be treated to his explanation on how the international partners aren't all dropping out like he assured us they would.
     

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