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And, I didn't suggest that capitalism says it will ensure equality. You asked how capitalism has failed us. I provided examples.
indeed, someone HAS to fail. Thats not a fact that capitalists like to point out when painting a rosy picture of their pet economic strategy. And, clearly, it doesn't ensure top quality anything. go to wal mart and tell me about all that top quality shit you find there.
so, yes, WE WILL take our pick and elect those who will smack a capitalist hand away from the proverbial free market bullshit cookie jar. You've had your turn. It failed. Allowing a minute portion of society have the very best while everyone else scrambles for crumbs just isn't a convincing talking point anymore.
What is unjust about about people paying taxes on what they purchase?
How is a progressive tax on income more/less just?
And, I didn't suggest that capitalism says it will ensure equality. You asked how capitalism has failed us. I provided examples.
indeed, someone HAS to fail. Thats not a fact that capitalists like to point out when painting a rosy picture of their pet economic strategy. And, clearly, it doesn't ensure top quality anything. go to wal mart and tell me about all that top quality shit you find there.
so, yes, WE WILL take our pick and elect those who will smack a capitalist hand away from the proverbial free market bullshit cookie jar. You've had your turn. It failed. Allowing a minute portion of society have the very best while everyone else scrambles for crumbs just isn't a convincing talking point anymore.
a progressive tax normalizes the spectrum of wealth while evening the layers of our class stratification. The "fair" tax (what a joke) ASSUMES that purchasing, and tax revenue, will be reflective of the same patterns we now have and does nothing more than create a greater rift between the haves and have nots. Polarized wealth is not a stabalizer. Neither are bullshit talking points about some hypothetical tax pipe dream.
That doesn't answer why it is just to take more money from a group of people that earned and 'normalize it' (see fancy term for wealth redistribution) to people that didn't.
You do understand the concept of percentages don't you? Let's pick an outrageous number like 20% sales tax. We know it wouldn't effect the rich so there's one group that won't be changing buying patterns. You are trying to convince me that $2 out of every $20 is going to be a hardship for the poor?
What is unjust about about people paying taxes on what they purchase?
How is a progressive tax on income more/less just?
This is why your side hates unions. THEY ensure that people DO keep their job despite your capitalist hardon for minimizing labor costs. UNIONS have been the stabelizer for this nation.. NOT capitalism. And, given the choice between the two, i'll stick with a US where people can earn a living without having to hop through your retarted fucking jargon excuses for profit making.
[And, please, let's not make any more stupid statements about personal responsibility when the word "globalization" sits on the tip of your tongue. Your kind are not the victims here. If you don't like it, again, take your fucking ass to Dubai and go kiss some prince ass on your new little tree shaped island.
[fucking right. heavy wage regulation and steep tariffs for imports. Profit taxes (oil) and tax breaks for companies whose product is actually produced in the US. I, sir, am not a pessemist when it comes to believing in what AMERICA can accomplish. Your sad little appeal to the threat of mediocrity isn't reflected in the decades we call the greatest generation. I suggest you wipe that tear and emmigrate.
It's just because this nation is not here just so an upper class has a workforce and extra caviar money. WE THE PEOPLE means more than your champaign pinky class. EARN IT? Are you fucking kidding me? WHAT DO the Paris Hiltons EARN exactly besides the silver spoon associated with having dropped from a rich vagina? And If you want to see me us the term then so be it. WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION. BOO!
[I'm not trying to convince you of anything. Adding any tax based on consumption will only widen the margin between classes. This is why you have to dangle your yearly probate check promise with that clusterfuck of a pipe dream you call FAIR.
[Face it, dude. The sun is setting on your sour promises of economics. Facts do not reflect your jargon. enjoy your new home in Dubai.
And I told capitalsim can't fail at something that it was never intended to provide for in the first place.
How is driving the middle class into poverty just so the very rich can pay an even smaller share of taxes going to get us to a just outcome?
That's exactly what would happen under that system, you know.
Justice and equality are hardly the same thing. I want social justice (basically something that works to all out benefit) and you seem to just want something equal when it comes to taxes (but ONLY to taxes)
The wealthy have to pay more than the poor because the wealthy are the major benefactors of having a society that works.
Now, I know many of you folks are upset that there are poor people, and I know some of us are upset that we have public education and public roads, and public police forces and so forth, but those things serve the society better than privatizing them does, and somebody has to pay for all of it.
My goal is simply to have a society that works well.
Simplistic entirely fair, but disasterously unworkable systems are not something I think makes any sense no matter how FAIR they are, that's all.
If you want REAL perfect fairness, become a theorectical communist.
That perfectly fair system fails to work everytime, but hey! -- it IS 100% fair, isn't it?
In that system there is no government and everyone works for the benefit of all, and everyone gets what they need ...ONLY IT DOESN'T WORK!
Well the flat tax and the VAT tax, while seemingly entirely FAIR, won't work either.
There is too much disparity in both incomes and net worths for those good and fair ideas to work, amigo.
One in eight people are poor in this nation and that's bad enough.
But if we set up a FAIR taxation system like most libertopians seem to want, then more than half the nation would be living in abject poverty in one or two generations.
Why? Because your "fair" system doesn't take into account the benefits that having capital gives to those what's got it.
It's almost as though you can't recognize that a the 350 pound karate expert beating up the three year old isn't a fair fight even though neither of them are armed, or something.
Minor problem. Paris Hilton is a rather piss poor example of how the majoirty of the rich got that way?
no, Paris Hilton is EXACTLY a prime example of how class wealth is NOT the product of some rags to riches bullshit excuse for capitalism. Dirt poor motherfuckers are not getting six figure salaries just because the "WORK HARD". The occasional individual who strike the fucking lottery is NOT an example on the value of gambling.
Hey, dont crai. Had your pipe dream of free market capitalism actually worked better than a fucking flaming pinto then we wouldnt be where we are. In other words, your economic opinions have the validity of a fucking fortune cookie and the tangibility of fucking prayer.
[As opposed to what you've provided? festering fucking unemployment in an age of lowered standards of living on the excuse that jobs we had 40 years ago can be replaced by wal mart checkout jobs? Hey, eat me. Love it or leave it. Dont blame me if all those HUNGRY? EAT YOUR IMPORT bumper stickers taste better than the shit soufflé you are trying to serve.
I'm sorry you are factually incorrect on this one. the majority of rich people are not trust fund babies. If you think you can prove otherwise, please do so. Otherwise shut the fuck up about shit you don't know shit about.
HA!
dude.. The late 90s net bubble is NOTHING close to an example of how wealth remains with a constant segment of the population. For real. Your retarded little non sequiters might make some heads nod at a fucking cato institute gala but here in the real world IT'S NO FUCKING MYSTERY WHY YOUR TYPE IS SO FERVENT AGAINST THE FUCKING INHERITANCE TAX.
So, take your fucking trust fund babies, business nepotism and crocodile tears the fuck to Dubai.
To chicken shit to say what you really want aren;t you. You would want all state sales taxes repealed, yes or no?
not at all. I've been clear what I want: A strong middle class that is not roasted over the fire of your bullshit economic ideology so that you can sprinkle some diamond flakes on your fucking breakfast cereal. If you want to find more than i've stated in my posts then feel free to do so.
Well let's see I'll be generous and say therre is maybe 8% unemployment, yeah what a colossal failure. If you can't step into reality there is no point in continuing to debate with you. To have one we have to agree on where we are first before we can debate the pros and cons of future action. What you believe to be the case is so far removed from the way things are it's laughable. How do I know? Because I make $12.00/hr. that is considered poor in this country. I know I have the ability to make more if I choose to take the risks. I have high speed internet, DVR DirecTV, rent, medical bills, just like everyone else, yet you would have a hard time arguing that I am somehow desitute.
Indeed, your employment numbers don't factor in the REDUCTION OF STANDARD OF LIVING WITH A HEALTHY FUCKING DOLLOP OF INFLATION so yes, it IS a colossal failure. If YOU can't take the entire fact of reality into consideration while trying to walk like a fucking tightrope walker around what everyone else without a hand in the cookie jar can see then, I agree, there is no point in coming back to collect this mud hole I've got plotted for your ass.
I assure you, your jargon, as well as trying to frame the fucking debate, is about as moving as a cheese a peanut butter sandwich on the bowels. WHAT I BELIEVE IS FAR REMOVED? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! YEA! THATS WHY THE REST OF THE FUCKING COUNTRY IS ON MY BANDWAGON HERE! Your opinons are a fucking joke. AND, clearly, a failure. Flop around like a fish on a hook all you want. The FACT remains that your bullshit economic opinion HAS failed and your defensiveness belays that you know that WE know it.
And, your 12 fucking dollar an hour job sure the fuck is impressive given the adjusted value of those wages BACK WHEN UNIONS PRESERVED A FUCKING MIDDLE CLASS, eh? If your ltimus test for poverty is cable TV then YOU, sir, are the one that has a fucking perspective issue. Not me. And, again, "working harder" is no more a guarentee of success or wealth than is buying another fucking powerball ticket. To believe otherwise is not only a bald face farce but it's disingenuous as hell.
Go look at the really really poor and tell me that most of them are that way because they are victioms and not because they more often then not make really bad choices.
yes, THEY are a victim of the society from which they are a product. But, hey, fuckem right? LET THEM EAT CAKE, RIGHT? your kind saw how that shit turned out in France too once enlightenment hit the streets. Poor people arent the only ones who make bad choices. Beyond the scope of your fucking vision EVEN WEALTHY people fuck up. The DIFFERENCE being that there is a greter cushion below THEIR ass than anyone in the ghetto. If you can't fathom this, well, have fun in Dubai.
Funny though... You backed right the fuck off the comparison between Toyota and THEIR competitiveness despite their workforce compared to ours here in the US.. Gosh, I can't IMAGINE WHY YOUD WANT TO run from that like a fucking monster chasing you through the woods!
Time will tell which one of us as right. I'm still waiting for evidence the proves your persective of reality btw. My proof? Look out a window dip shit.
I am glad you responded to this. Financial bubbles do not happen because taxes are cut for higher income earners. The previous two responders to your original post are dead wrong on this.You're almost correct; the past several years have seen an investment bubble, certainly. But the real problem is the federal reserve, mentioned in the last section I quoted. They created new money out of thin air, and it found it's way into some investments.
The fundamental difference is, when the fed does it, it distorts the economy. Funds are directed towards malinvestments instead of sound investments. This is the foundation of austrian economics.