ER visits went UP under Romneycare

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    One by one, everything the obamanistas have said about obamacare is being proven false. Remember when obama said, don't worry, if you want to keep your employer insurance you can? Now 30% of employers have so far notified the government that they will opt out of providing healthcare - those people will be dumped into the obamacare system, like it or not. Also, eg, under the state "universal healthcare" in Massachusetts which is very similar to obamacare, the ER visits were supposed to go down, since everyone in the state was supposed to be covered. Instead, they've gone UP 4%.

    Romney’s steadfast stand for a bad idea - The Boston Globe
     
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    I think you're confusing Obama with Romney.
     
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    This was the biggest lie of all (like it was ever up to me to make that decision).
     
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    The health care crises we are facing is HOPELESS until we rethink the social contract.

    Seriously, there is NO solution (not socialist or capitalist) until we have a seachange in thinking about what obligations and rights citizens have in regard to society as a whole.

    The longer we live on average, and the more effective (and expensive HC gets as a result of those advances) the higher a percentage of the GNP health care is going to cost us.

    TRULY, this problem is not one that we ought to BLAME people for.

    IN this case I don't blame EITHER PARTY because the problem is an organic and economic outcome of the fact that MEDICINE now actually works!
     
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    This is indeed very interesting. Did you know that between 2004 and 2008 that emergency room visits increased by 9%? And since 2006 when Romneycare went into effect, they increased 4%. So that tells us that they actually were increasing at a higher rate prior to Romneycare going into effect.

    Emergency Room Visits Increase in Massachusetts - By Avik Roy - Critical Condition - National Review Online

    Another interesting fact; while emergency room visits increased by 4.1% between 2006 and 2008, low severity visits fell by 1.8%. In other words, the emergency room visits that increased the number of visits were due to high severity injuries or illnesses for which people tend to go to the ER regardless of whether they have insurance or not. The fact that ER visits for low severity problems fell by 1.8% tells us that since more people now have insurance, they are not going to the ER for a simple cold of flu. The ones that were going to the ER had major emergencies that actually needed immediate attention. The cause of the increase in these severe injuries or illnesses is not known.

    http://articles.boston.com/2011-06-07/news/29630188_1_emergency-room-primary-care-health-care-law
     
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    A woman from another country gets off the plane at the local airport and takes a taxi to the Emergency Room. Triaged and admitted, stays in the hospital for a few days. She can't go to rehab before travelling back to her country of origin because she doesn't have insurance. Her family who has lived in the area for several years, the same family who told her she could go to this hospital for free care, refuses to take care of her in their home for 2-3 days before she heading back home.

    This is just one of many stories I know as truth.
     
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    Rights have NOTHING to do with health care.

    That's illogical - the more sophisticated medicine and health care gets, the more likely diseases are to be prevented and the attendant costs.
     
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    Sure, given that news sources existed two years ago and wrote down what he said, I remember:

    “When I say if you have your plan and you like it,…or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform,” the President said. ​

    That wasn't a statement about your HR department's decision-making process.

    I'm not sure what you're referring to about someone having "notified the government" of something. Presumably you're referring to the results of that McKinsey survey, which had nothing to do with the government and was not intended to actually predict anything:

    The survey was not intended as a predictive economic analysis of the impact of the Affordable Care Act. Rather, it captured the attitudes of employers and provided an understanding of the factors that could influence decision making related to employee health benefits.

    As such, our survey results are not comparable to the healthcare research and analysis conducted by others such as the Congressional Budget Office, RAND and the Urban Institute. Each of those studies employed economic modeling, not opinion surveys, and focused on the impact of healthcare reform on individuals, not employer attitudes. ​

    Impressive, particularly given this:

    A particular criticism of McKinsey's study was that only 51% of respondents had a direct hand in choosing health benefits. Also, in questions about what they knew about the health reform bill, about 40% to 60% of the more than 1,300 respondents said they had heard but didn't know much, or were not familiar at all, with key parts of the legislation.

    Some of McKinsey's questions laid out some details of the legislation, and asked respondents in the online survey to answer based on the assumptions and facts it presented.​

    Very impressive.

    Did you really just quote your own language from the OP to support your point?
     
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    How's that my problem?
     

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