Enron May End Up Sinking DeLay

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    sounds like some of those charges from the dems about tom delay's immoral and illegal activities may have some truth to them... WP's lead story today... its a doozy but here's some highlights... should be interesting to see how this all plays out

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43219-2004Jul11.html?referrer=email

    But DeLay and his colleagues also face serious legal challenges: Texas law bars corporate financing of state legislature campaigns, and a Texas criminal prosecutor is in the 20th month of digging through records of the fundraising, looking at possible violations of at least three statutes.

    Documents unearthed in the probe make clear that DeLay was central to creating and overseeing the fundraising. What the prosecutors are still assessing is who knew about the day-to-day operations of TRMPAC and how its money was used to benefit Texas House candidates

    DeLay declined to comment for this article. Stuart Roy, his spokesman, said: "DeLay is doing everything moral, legal and ethical to increase the Republican majority and advance conservative ideas. He raised legal campaign money for effective political activity and that makes his critics enraged. Unfortunately, some Democrats are making an attempt to criminalize politics."

    Cristen D. Feldman, the Texas lawyer who filed the suit, said in response, "I guess DeLay and his team forgot they were from Texas . . . [where] the prohibition against clandestine corporate cash is 100 years old."

    Texas is one of 18 states that bar political contributions from corporations for election purposes. But the law has an exception for expenses incurred by political action committees. At issue in Earle's probe, and the lawsuit, is whether the law permits corporations to finance only routine administrative expenses, such as rent, as an official of the Texas Ethics Commission contends, or whether the law permits corporations to finance virtually any activity besides direct contributions to candidates, as TRMPAC's lawyer contends
     
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    Nato, why bother? I can post as many articles showing that democrats took huge amounts of quid pro quo money from Enron also.

    that is why these threads never get any legs. these articles against the republicans are biased pieces meant to give the GOP a blackeye. I am not saying that none of it is true, but the dems usually back off these stories as they know they were just as corrupted by Enron as the GOP.
     
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    Isn't it asking alot of a particular candidates staff to not only ensure that (one of many thousands) of those who contribute to the fund is not only a legal citizen and also under the limit, but also bulletproof from any future anticipated scandal?

    You'd pretty much have to employ a foolproof soothsayer in order to anticipate each future scandal in advance.

    Until then, it's all money in the bank as far as each campaign is concerned.
     
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    okay, i think i probably put a bad title on this thread

    first of all, yes, the dems are dirty with enron too... in mentioning enron in the title, i'm just showing that this whole enron mess is seemingly going to take delay down it.... the article is noteworthy because he is THE major republican leader in the House, hastert can't compete with this guy's firebrand style and dedication to cause.

    2nd- while there are GOP vs. DEM overtones in the article and in the investigation, the prosecutor involved has actually prosecuted 3 times more dems than republicans (12 to 4) for corruption. he's gonna get delay if he's guilty, and do it in the name of justice, not in politics.

    3rd- its a law texas has had for over 100 years. its fairly cut and dry, it all comes down to "Texas is one of 18 states that bar political contributions from corporations for election purposes. But the law has an exception for expenses incurred by political action committees. At issue in Earle's probe, and the lawsuit, is whether the law permits corporations to finance only routine administrative expenses, such as rent, as an official of the Texas Ethics Commission contends, or whether the law permits corporations to finance virtually any activity besides direct contributions to candidates, as TRMPAC's lawyer contends."


    who knows what will happen? but the potential loss of delay as a moral and political force in GOP politics in the House is not something to be lightly taken. and as such, he's the highest ranking person i know (dem or republican) who is in real danger b/c of any dealings with enron... there is as of yet no credible evidence linking cheney or anybody else, but delay, to any of this enron business.
     
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    Interesting, I agree.


    I vaugely remember a scandal centering on a Clinton campaign contribution from a group of Chinese nationals, but even then the story didn't have legs.

    I wonder whether the same will come of this particular issue.
     
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    was that deal seperate to all the scandal around gore and that guy that got all the lincoln bedroom overnight stays?

    the clinton years were just one big scandal after the other, it just sickened me... now it seems the past six months has been like that for bush, i only hope this string stops soon.

    this is the thing i don't get about delay's problems right now... he knows the rule book of congressional house procedures inside and out, syllable by syllable... how could he not have known how risky this deal was? he just seems not only too smart, but too careful for it.
     
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    this is about a specific violation of texas law, not federal election law.
     
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    how are you tying delay to bush?
     
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    i'm not tying him to bush... i just mentioned both in seperate parts of my post

    i'm wondering two big things in this area:
    how could delay screw up like this if he did indeed screw up? the guy is known to be the best at what he does and know more about procedure and rules than everyone, how could he stumble?
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    how many more scandals will hit bush? (mostly due to the largest group of leakers ever in washington history)

    (you got me thinking about the bush scandals when we talked about how chronic scandals were in the clinton admin, one scandal after another from day one) bush not so bad, but it has been bad in the last 6 months, just wondering if its gonna continue or are we at a stopping point?
     
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    you're saying you are not tying him to bush and then you go on to write:

    So therefore, you are trying to make an unproven link between Bush and what DeLay is facing.

     

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