Electric ferries

[Old Rocks]

Some are already operating in Europe, now we will see them here;

World’s Second-Largest Ferry Operator Switching From Diesel to Batteries

 

[Maxdeath]

Too bad it is a trade off in environmental protection for bad environment in another. The mining of lithium for lithium ion batteries has been killing the environment. The other side is the environmental problems at the end of the batteries life.

 

[Old Rocks]

Too bad it is a trade off in environmental protection for bad environment in another. The mining of lithium for lithium ion batteries has been killing the environment. The other side is the environmental problems at the end of the batteries life.

Too bad you are so ill informed. The most productive lithium mines are in deserts in South America, and the hard rock lithium mines are far less polluting than this;

Post-Apocalyptic Destruction of the Tar Sands: Alberta from Above | WilderUtopia.com

Ending Mountaintop Removal

 

[Old Rocks]

 

[Maxdeath]

You might try reading this The spiralling environmental cost of our lithium battery addiction | WIRED UK.

Of course you want to choose the worst in the use of Canada's tar sands which accounts for only 1.6% of all oil production.

Of course really who cares about people dying because of lack of water or poluted water. Fish dying as long as it looks better here.

 

[Maxdeath]

Then add in things like the national electrical grid is only about 3% renewable energy.
The transportation of the battery parts is not eco friendly.
Most if not all batteries contain plastics that come from oil.
Could continue but I think most see that it is a start but it is mostly optics.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Some are already operating in Europe, now we will see them here;

World’s Second-Largest Ferry Operator Switching From Diesel to Batteries

I see that you and the article has left out some information that makes these electric ferries be a niche player, compared to the existing Seattle Ferries.:

August saw the launch of the world’s largest electric ferry to date, a 200-passenger, 30-car carrying vessel called Ellen covering the stretch between Fynshav and Søby in southern Denmark.

Note this is the WORLDS LARGEST Electric ferry to date, meaning just a few months ago.

Now contrast this to the STANDARD Passenger/Car ferries in Seattle, from Wikipedia:

HistoryIn 1968, with increasing demand exceeding vehicle capacity, Tillikum and Illahee were reassigned to the Edmonds-Kingston route, and replaced by the Super Class boats Kaleetan and Elwha, both with capacities of 2,500 passengers and 160 (originally) automobiles.[1] In 1972-1973 the Super Class vessels were displaced by the Jumbo class Spokane and Walla Walla, which remained in Bainbridge Island service until they were displaced in turn by the Jumbo Mark II Class vessels Tacoma and Wenatchee in 1997-1998.

and,

Current status
Assigned to the route as of January 2018 were the Jumbo Mark II class ferries Tacoma and Wenatchee,[4] each with a capacity of 2,500 passengers and a maximum of 202 vehicles.[5]

Not even close!

 

[Old Rocks]

They claim that the all-electric ferry cuts emissions by 95% and costs by 80%.

They wrote in a press release:

The world’s largest all-electric ferry, named Eferry Ellen, made its first commercial trip early this morning, Thursday, August 15, 2019, connecting the ports of Søby and Fynshav, on the islands of Aerø and Als, in southern Denmark. This revolutionary ship, capable of carrying approximately 30 vehicles and 200 passengers, is powered by a battery system with an unprecedented capacity of 4.3MWh provided by Leclanché SA (SIX: LECN), one of the world’s leading energy storage companies.

The company claims that the ferry alone will “prevent the release of 2000 tonnes of CO2, 42 tonnes of NOX, 2.5 tonnes of particulates and 1.4 tonnes of SO2 into the atmosphere” on an annual basis.

Last year, it was announced that two big new all-electric ferries are coming to Canada.

Delivery of the Amherst Island ferry, which has a length of 68 m, a width of 25 m, and can accommodate up to 300 people and 42 cars, is expected in 2020. The Wolfe Island ferry, which is even bigger with a length of 98 m, a width of 25 m, and can transport up to 399 passengers and 75 cars, is scheduled for delivery in 2021.

World’s largest all-electric ferry completes its maiden trip - Electrek

 

[Maxdeath]

They claim that the all-electric ferry cuts emissions by 95% and costs by 80%.

They wrote in a press release:

The world’s largest all-electric ferry, named Eferry Ellen, made its first commercial trip early this morning, Thursday, August 15, 2019, connecting the ports of Søby and Fynshav, on the islands of Aerø and Als, in southern Denmark. This revolutionary ship, capable of carrying approximately 30 vehicles and 200 passengers, is powered by a battery system with an unprecedented capacity of 4.3MWh provided by Leclanché SA (SIX: LECN), one of the world’s leading energy storage companies.

The company claims that the ferry alone will “prevent the release of 2000 tonnes of CO2, 42 tonnes of NOX, 2.5 tonnes of particulates and 1.4 tonnes of SO2 into the atmosphere” on an annual basis.

Last year, it was announced that two big new all-electric ferries are coming to Canada.

Delivery of the Amherst Island ferry, which has a length of 68 m, a width of 25 m, and can accommodate up to 300 people and 42 cars, is expected in 2020. The Wolfe Island ferry, which is even bigger with a length of 98 m, a width of 25 m, and can transport up to 399 passengers and 75 cars, is scheduled for delivery in 2021.

World’s largest all-electric ferry completes its maiden trip - Electrek

So each ferry only has to make three times the number of trips to equal one trip of the other ferrys. It may cut omissions in that area. What about the omissions caused by extracting the lithium and other things? How much is emitted by supplying the electricity needed for those extra trips?

The optics look good for them but probably look worse in other areas.
But optics is all that counts right?

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, In Washington state, the vast majority of electrical power is from renewables;

Washington - State Energy Profile Analysis - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

Renewable energy
Washington ranks second in the nation in electricity generation from renewable resources.

Washington ranks second in the nation, after California, in the amount of electricity generated from renewable resources.53 On average, about 80% of the state's net electricity generation originates from renewable energy, mostly hydroelectric power, and Washington produced about one-eighth of the total electricity generated nationwide from renewables in 2017.54 Some renewable resources provide energy in forms other than electricity, such as biofuels and thermal energy from the wood used in wood stoves.55 When the production of those other types of energy is included, renewable resources account for 90% of Washington's total energy production.56 Washington has two wood pellet manufacturing plants with a total production capacity of about 80,000 tons per year.57

 

[skookerasbil]

More unicorn chasing!!!

 

[Confounding]

More unicorn chasing!!!

Future generations will look back and laugh about the ignorance of people like you.

 

[Likkmee]

Electric fairy ?
AH. I remember

 

[skookerasbil]

Well, In Washington state, the vast majority of electrical power is from renewables;

Washington - State Energy Profile Analysis - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

Renewable energy
Washington ranks second in the nation in electricity generation from renewable resources.

Washington ranks second in the nation, after California, in the amount of electricity generated from renewable resources.53 On average, about 80% of the state's net electricity generation originates from renewable energy, mostly hydroelectric power, and Washington produced about one-eighth of the total electricity generated nationwide from renewables in 2017.54 Some renewable resources provide energy in forms other than electricity, such as biofuels and thermal energy from the wood used in wood stoves.55 When the production of those other types of energy is included, renewable resources account for 90% of Washington's total energy production.56 Washington has two wood pellet manufacturing plants with a total production capacity of about 80,000 tons per year.57

Lol.....nobody cares.

Countrywide, renewables provide a small fraction of American electricity....well under 10%. A joke.....and by 2040, solar and wind together will provide a bit over 10%! Check the EIA projections for the past 5 years under Obama and Trump......laughable.

So nobody cares if a handful of k00k liberal counties are soaring....its about the full landscape.

Want links?

Here ya go.....about a billion of them......


More Proof the skeptics are WINNING!!

 

[skookerasbil]

Electric ferries!!!

 

[SSDD]

They claim that the all-electric ferry cuts emissions by 95% and costs by 80%.

They wrote in a press release:

The world’s largest all-electric ferry, named Eferry Ellen, made its first commercial trip early this morning, Thursday, August 15, 2019, connecting the ports of Søby and Fynshav, on the islands of Aerø and Als, in southern Denmark. This revolutionary ship, capable of carrying approximately 30 vehicles and 200 passengers, is powered by a battery system with an unprecedented capacity of 4.3MWh provided by Leclanché SA (SIX: LECN), one of the world’s leading energy storage companies.

The company claims that the ferry alone will “prevent the release of 2000 tonnes of CO2, 42 tonnes of NOX, 2.5 tonnes of particulates and 1.4 tonnes of SO2 into the atmosphere” on an annual basis.

Last year, it was announced that two big new all-electric ferries are coming to Canada.

Delivery of the Amherst Island ferry, which has a length of 68 m, a width of 25 m, and can accommodate up to 300 people and 42 cars, is expected in 2020. The Wolfe Island ferry, which is even bigger with a length of 98 m, a width of 25 m, and can transport up to 399 passengers and 75 cars, is scheduled for delivery in 2021.

World’s largest all-electric ferry completes its maiden trip - Electrek

So each ferry only has to make three times the number of trips to equal one trip of the other ferrys. It may cut omissions in that area. What about the omissions caused by extracting the lithium and other things? How much is emitted by supplying the electricity needed for those extra trips?

The optics look good for them but probably look worse in other areas.
But optics is all that counts right?

Like most green tech...they require more energy to produce and more CO2 is produced in their production than they will ever save...then there is the environmental disaster of disposing of it when it wears out at the end of its very short useful lifetime.

 

[Blues Man]

Too bad it is a trade off in environmental protection for bad environment in another. The mining of lithium for lithium ion batteries has been killing the environment. The other side is the environmental problems at the end of the batteries life.

Too bad you are so ill informed. The most productive lithium mines are in deserts in South America, and the hard rock lithium mines are far less polluting than this;

Post-Apocalyptic Destruction of the Tar Sands: Alberta from Above | WilderUtopia.com

Ending Mountaintop Removal

And when those rare earth elements become harder and harder to find what do you think will happen?

 

[Old Rocks]

Rare earth elements are not that rare.

REE - Rare Earth Elements - Metals, Minerals, Mining, Uses

 

[Maxdeath]

Well, In Washington state, the vast majority of electrical power is from renewables;

Washington - State Energy Profile Analysis - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

Renewable energy
Washington ranks second in the nation in electricity generation from renewable resources.

Washington ranks second in the nation, after California, in the amount of electricity generated from renewable resources.53 On average, about 80% of the state's net electricity generation originates from renewable energy, mostly hydroelectric power, and Washington produced about one-eighth of the total electricity generated nationwide from renewables in 2017.54 Some renewable resources provide energy in forms other than electricity, such as biofuels and thermal energy from the wood used in wood stoves.55 When the production of those other types of energy is included, renewable resources account for 90% of Washington's total energy production.56 Washington has two wood pellet manufacturing plants with a total production capacity of about 80,000 tons per year.57

I know of no tech that will allow some one to separate out so called (green) energy from non green. Once it hits the national grid it all becomes a part of the whole.
Even though Washington may rank very high in renewable energy that still only means less then 3% over all.
The only way that changes is if the electrical transmission lines end at the Washinton border. Not the way it works.

 

[Blues Man]

Rare earth elements are not that rare.

REE - Rare Earth Elements - Metals, Minerals, Mining, Uses

And we also thought we would never run out of oil

Are you that naive?