Egan-Jones downgrades US credit rating. IT IS NOT ABOUT THE DEBT LIMIT!!!!!!!

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It's ABOUT DEBT TO GDP!

Egan-Jones Downgrades US From AAA To AA+ | ZeroHedge

Real GDP increased at an annualized rate of 4.0% in Q1 2011, following an increase of 3.5% rise in the prior quarter. Personal consumption expenditures, exports, and nonresidential fixed investment contributed positively to growth during the quarter. Meanwhile, imports rose sharply. In the March 2011 quarter, trade in goods and services resulted in a deficit of $562B, many because of the high price of petroleum. However, the major factor driving credit quality is the relatively high level of debt and the difficulty in significantly cutting spending. We are taking a negative action not based on the delay in raising the debt ceiling but rather our concern about the high level of debt to GDP in excess of 100% compared to Canada's 35%. Nonetheless, since the US's debt is denominated in dollars, a hard default is unlikely.

The debt ceiling is a red herring! It is the SPENDING that is the problem! HOLY FUCK come on people!!!!!!!!
 
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It's ABOUT DEBT TO GDP!

Egan-Jones Downgrades US From AAA To AA+ | ZeroHedge

Real GDP increased at an annualized rate of 4.0% in Q1 2011, following an increase of 3.5% rise in the prior quarter. Personal consumption expenditures, exports, and nonresidential fixed investment contributed positively to growth during the quarter. Meanwhile, imports rose sharply. In the March 2011 quarter, trade in goods and services resulted in a deficit of $562B, many because of the high price of petroleum. However, the major factor driving credit quality is the relatively high level of debt and the difficulty in significantly cutting spending. We are taking a negative action not based on the delay in raising the debt ceiling but rather our concern about the high level of debt to GDP in excess of 100% compared to Canada's 35%. Nonetheless, since the US's debt is denominated in dollars, a hard default is unlikely.

The debt ceiling is a red herring! It is the SPENDING that is the problem! HOLY FUCK come on people!!!!!!!!
The Debt Ceiling was only a proxy for the real issue: spending. Yes, we have an enormous spending problem, with debt over 90% of GDP. That isn't sustainable.
We need to stop spending more today and adopt policies that will help this country grow. What are those policies? Take everything Obama and the Dems have done for the last 5 years and do the opposite.
 
No... we have a revenue problem. More and more people are dropping out of the middle Class tax bracket and into lower brackets, which pay less in taxes. Combine that with all the loopholes that the rich can take advantage of that everyone else cannot.... and you have one hell of a drop in revenue.

Yes.. we spend a lot. I am not denying that. But to sit there and blame one end of the spectrum alone is just partisan bullshit.
 
No... we have a revenue problem. More and more people are dropping out of the middle Class tax bracket and into lower brackets, which pay less in taxes. Combine that with all the loopholes that the rich can take advantage of that everyone else cannot.... and you have one hell of a drop in revenue.

Yes.. we spend a lot. I am not denying that. But to sit there and blame one end of the spectrum alone is just partisan bullshit.

If revenue drops, spending needs to drop too. Revenue is down because of the recession. The recession has continued because the Democrats have pursued anti business policies. Raising taxes is a good example of anti business anti growth policy.
 
No... we have a revenue problem. More and more people are dropping out of the middle Class tax bracket and into lower brackets, which pay less in taxes. Combine that with all the loopholes that the rich can take advantage of that everyone else cannot.... and you have one hell of a drop in revenue.

Yes.. we spend a lot. I am not denying that. But to sit there and blame one end of the spectrum alone is just partisan bullshit.

You do realize that if you confiscated EVERY $ owned by the evil rich, you'd net about $980,000,000,000?

Yeah... that will fix everything.

:lol:
 
No... we have a revenue problem. More and more people are dropping out of the middle Class tax bracket and into lower brackets, which pay less in taxes. Combine that with all the loopholes that the rich can take advantage of that everyone else cannot.... and you have one hell of a drop in revenue.

Yes.. we spend a lot. I am not denying that. But to sit there and blame one end of the spectrum alone is just partisan bullshit.

the best way to increase revenue then would be to increase the tax base. the welfare system keeps people down, if we are going to "invest" in our people instead of welfare wouldnt some way to help develop talents of people be better so they can succeed and then pay income tax?
 
No... we have a revenue problem. More and more people are dropping out of the middle Class tax bracket and into lower brackets, which pay less in taxes. Combine that with all the loopholes that the rich can take advantage of that everyone else cannot.... and you have one hell of a drop in revenue.

Yes.. we spend a lot. I am not denying that. But to sit there and blame one end of the spectrum alone is just partisan bullshit.
The bullshit is sitting around accusing others of spouting partisan bullshit, then spouting class warfare partisan bullshit.

We have no revenue problem...The feds are going to take in somewhere in the neighborhood of $2-$2.5 TRIL this year.
 
No... we have a revenue problem. More and more people are dropping out of the middle Class tax bracket and into lower brackets, which pay less in taxes. Combine that with all the loopholes that the rich can take advantage of that everyone else cannot.... and you have one hell of a drop in revenue.

Yes.. we spend a lot. I am not denying that. But to sit there and blame one end of the spectrum alone is just partisan bullshit.

If revenue drops, spending needs to drop too. Revenue is down because of the recession. The recession has continued because the Democrats have pursued anti business policies. Raising taxes is a good example of anti business anti growth policy.

These people lack a fundamental understanding of math. A 25% tax rate on $2 Trillion generates more $$ than a 25% tax on an economy half the size... economic growth automatically generates more revenue. You don't need higher rates of taxation, you just need to keep spending growth below economic growth.

But, don't try getting these cement heads to grasp that... it's always we must raise taxes!
 
No... we have a revenue problem. More and more people are dropping out of the middle Class tax bracket and into lower brackets, which pay less in taxes. Combine that with all the loopholes that the rich can take advantage of that everyone else cannot.... and you have one hell of a drop in revenue.

Yes.. we spend a lot. I am not denying that. But to sit there and blame one end of the spectrum alone is just partisan bullshit.

If revenue drops, spending needs to drop too. Revenue is down because of the recession. The recession has continued because the Democrats have pursued anti business policies. Raising taxes is a good example of anti business anti growth policy.

Bullshit. Cutting Spending is a good example of anti-American, Hard Hearted Policy. You keep putting all this on people that can't afford to cope with it(which is most families from say.... $100k on down), you will further wreck the economy because they can't afford to buy the shit that "business" creates.

But you idiots can't see that, can you? Your precious business community can't get blood from a stone. Destroying the buying power of the people isn't going to do a damned thing for the economy.
 
Who made Egan-Jones Ratings Co one of the gaggle in dec 2007?

this sounds planned to me
 
No... we have a revenue problem. More and more people are dropping out of the middle Class tax bracket and into lower brackets, which pay less in taxes. Combine that with all the loopholes that the rich can take advantage of that everyone else cannot.... and you have one hell of a drop in revenue.

Yes.. we spend a lot. I am not denying that. But to sit there and blame one end of the spectrum alone is just partisan bullshit.

Sure we could increase taxes......until we CHOKE TO DEATH....look at the red line bubba....SPENDING IS THE PROBLEM....

taxes-vs-spending.jpg
 
No... we have a revenue problem. More and more people are dropping out of the middle Class tax bracket and into lower brackets, which pay less in taxes. Combine that with all the loopholes that the rich can take advantage of that everyone else cannot.... and you have one hell of a drop in revenue.

Yes.. we spend a lot. I am not denying that. But to sit there and blame one end of the spectrum alone is just partisan bullshit.

If revenue drops, spending needs to drop too. Revenue is down because of the recession. The recession has continued because the Democrats have pursued anti business policies. Raising taxes is a good example of anti business anti growth policy.

Bullshit. Cutting Spending is a good example of anti-American, Hard Hearted Policy. You keep putting all this on people that can't afford to cope with it(which is most families from say.... $100k on down), you will further wreck the economy because they can't afford to buy the shit that "business" creates.

But you idiots can't see that, can you? Your precious business community can't get blood from a stone. Destroying the buying power of the people isn't going to do a damned thing for the economy.

Oh brother. Really? With this contorted mindset, why bother... you're hopeless.

:confused:
 
Gee, I have an idea. Let's stop importing oil, nationize the oil we have in the gound and require it to be refined and sold in the United States alone. Then we add a deficit reduction tax of .25 cents to each gallon for all none commercial use of gas and diseal, provide a tax credit to consumers who must commut to work using public transportation - on a dollar for dollar basis - and build new transportation systems for people, frieght and electricity.
 
Gee, I have an idea. Let's stop importing oil, nationize the oil we have in the gound and require it to be refined and sold in the United States alone. Then we add a deficit reduction tax of .25 cents to each gallon for all none commercial use of gas and diseal, provide a tax credit to consumers who must commut to work using public transportation - on a dollar for dollar basis - and build new transportation systems for people, frieght and electricity.

i know man it sounds so fucking simple...its hard not to at least think about the possibility that there are people in power actually trying to fuck this country over...no one can be this stupid right?
 
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In 2006, following criticism that the SEC's "No Action letter" approach was simultaneously too opaque and provided the SEC with too little regulatory oversight of NRSROs, the U.S. Congress passed the Credit Rating Agency Reform Act. This law required the SEC to establish clear guidelines for determining which credit rating agencies qualify as NRSROs. It also gives the SEC the power to regulate NRSRO internal processes regarding record-keeping and how they guard against conflicts of interest, and makes the NRSRO determination subject to a Commission vote (rather than an SEC staff determination). Notably, however, the law specifically prohibits the SEC from regulating an NRSRO's rating methodologies.

In June 2007, the SEC promulgated new rules[5] that implemented the provisions of the Credit Rating Agency Reform Act.
 
No... we have a revenue problem. More and more people are dropping out of the middle Class tax bracket and into lower brackets, which pay less in taxes. Combine that with all the loopholes that the rich can take advantage of that everyone else cannot.... and you have one hell of a drop in revenue.

Yes.. we spend a lot. I am not denying that. But to sit there and blame one end of the spectrum alone is just partisan bullshit.

If revenue drops, spending needs to drop too. Revenue is down because of the recession. The recession has continued because the Democrats have pursued anti business policies. Raising taxes is a good example of anti business anti growth policy.

Bullshit. Cutting Spending is a good example of anti-American, Hard Hearted Policy. You keep putting all this on people that can't afford to cope with it(which is most families from say.... $100k on down), you will further wreck the economy because they can't afford to buy the shit that "business" creates.

But you idiots can't see that, can you? Your precious business community can't get blood from a stone. Destroying the buying power of the people isn't going to do a damned thing for the economy.

class war fare ain't working out for ya huh? I been tole ya and tole ya when the leeches overtake the givers we are going down down down.
 
Looks like they needed someone who could downgrade the US so they could get us to the bath tub.
 
TM, can you take your red herrings and strawmans and literally cram them down your face and choke thanks.
 

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