Does this make any sense?

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    In Obama's news conference he stressed the importance of providing the education America needs to compete in the 21st century. This comes on the news that US students ranked 14th in reading, 17th in science, 25th in math. South Korea, Finland. Singapore, China and Canada are not only kicking our ass in the trade war but are insuring their future success by better educating their kids.

    In order to reduce budgets a number of states are:
    . Cutting AP (Advanced Placement) classes. These are the classes that provide advanced education in Math, Science, Economics, and Languages, to our brightest students.
    . Class sizes are rising throughout the country.
    . College tuition is rising. The tuition at USC this year is over $40,000 bringing the cost of a 4 year education to over $200,000. How many American families can afford this?

    If America's future depends on how well we train our kids to compete in tomorrow's world, we are in big trouble.


    'Wake-up call': U.S. students trail global leaders - U.S. news - Life - msnbc.com
    USC-FBS - sfs - Estimated Costs 2010-2011
    Schools Consider Cutting AP Courses
     
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    Last time we were on top of the education pile the top tax braket was in the 80s to 90s
     
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    You're probably correct. Education has been improving in the US but it's improving elsewhere a lot faster. Since education is the biggest component of most state budgets, when times are hard, education is cut. To compete in the world our kids are going to have to be a lot smarter, but with the deficit and the war between the right and left, I don't see any major emphases on education coming anytime soon.
     
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    "A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or, perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance: And a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives... it is better for the poorer classes to have the aid of the richer by a general tax on property, than that every parent should provide at his own expence for the education of his children, it is certain that every Class is interested in establishments which give to the human mind its highest improvements, and to every Country its truest and most durable celebrity." -- James Madison; letter to W. T. Barry (1822)
     
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    Correlation does not imply causation. Education started going downhill when we taught kids that their feelings are more important than their test scores.
     
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    Want to improve education? Simple. Don't need an increase in budget or salaries, don't need a decrease in class size. The parents make it happen. If they don't, I don't care who says what, the scores will not remain competitive with the rest of the world. Education started going downhill when parents stopped putting their boots up their kids' asses for not striving their utmost.
     
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    Is this like the health care argument, where countries who are spending far less than we are on education are getting better results?
     
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    That is money well spent to go to the best university in America, USC.
     
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    Couldn't think of argument against this even if my life depended on it.
     
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    If you want to be very non politically correct and brutally honest look at race in this equation. America was a lot whiter in the '50's when tests scores were higher than it is today. Los Angeles Unified School District is (besides being huge) over 50% hispanic for example. Many of the students, whether here legally or illegally, don't speak English as their first language. As a result there's little chance they are going to be as competitive on test scores as one's born and raised in the U.S. in English speaking homes. That's just reality.

    Now that of course is not the only cause for our education challenges. As has been accurately mentioned parental involvement is a huge one. And then the fact that there is a large bureaucracy that has a vested interest in keeping the education status quo and fighting against change.
     

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