Does the federal congress have the power to declare someone a citizen?

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    I wonder if congress even has the power to create citizens since the process is declared in the 14th amendment as a person naturalized. This is already defined in the constitution and the courts, by its procedures, determines if a person has been naturalized as stated in the constitution. There is no power given to the federal government to do this and it seems to me that citizenship is a kind of constitutional no man's land where neither the congress, judciary, or even the state governments can create legislation making someone a citizen simply because it is defined in the 14th amendment.
     
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    no, they can not declare a person a citizen, we are citizens of our respective State first, which then makes us USA citizens.
     
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    the States themselves have the power to declare their own citizens....in the manner they deem is my understanding.
     
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    Retard the Constitution GIVES the Federal Government the power to determine what qualifies one to be a Naturalized citizen.

    Section 9 Article I.

    Article I | LII / Legal Information Institute
     
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    States can NOT naturalize people as US Citizens. Only the Federal Government can do that. States can set requirements for what makes one a citizen of that State which really only effects how the State will treat them.
     
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    .... once a state declares a newborn a citizen, they automatically become a natural born citizen of the usa.

    ...the fed may have naturalization guidelines but the State is who makes them citizens of their State, then they automatically become a citizen of the UNITED States....was what i thought the process entailed?
     
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    No States can not make citizens of the US. The Birth Certificate PROVES the life birth with in the borders of the US. The Congress has sole power to determine naturalization process. The Federal Government is the power that recognizes your citizenship via issuing a Passport.
     
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    No dumbshit. The 14th amendment declares that if a person is a citizen of a state then they are also a citizen of the federal government. The process is defined as someone naturalized within that state so its dependent on that persons existence within that state. Neither states nor federal have the power to declare someone a citizen since the process is defined in the 14th amendment itself.

    What I am saying is that this is a case where neither state nor federal has the power to decide someone's citizenship status since that process is defined in the constitution itself. Whenever the issue of someone's citizenship status is up for grabs the courts decide if that person has been naturalized within that state as stated in the 14th amendment.
     
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    why do you ask? :confused:
     
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    A good way to get a response from someone.
     

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