Do Tax Cuts Stimulate the Economy?

I blame it on Barney Frank, mainly. He's laughing at all of us who used common sense, and with semen on his breathe.

I blame them all. Barney Frank, Criss Dodd & the Clinton administration who on Sept. 30, 1999 New York Times article--"Fannie reduces credit requirements to aid mortgage lending." What a fricken disaster. They all ignored all of the warnings, including republicans. They sold the American taxpayer out by guaranteeing mortgage loans to people who had no income, had no credit, had no down payment--all guaranteed by the American taxpayer.

All our economic woes today come from Fannie/Freddie--which is ground zero of this economic disaster. This is what happens with the federal government works it's fingers into the private sector. They always manage to screw it up.

WE WERE SOLD OUT BY OUR OWN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!



LOL

Do you still have bush's dick in your mouth?

So your position is that the republican party is the defender of consumers, the defender of regulating the free market, the defender against predatotory lending practices?

:lol:


My, my, what a change of heart and talking points a second great republican depression has caused.

Fannie Mae didn't cause this. The official government statisitcs have been poster here over and over, even if you pretend you didn't see them. The subprime meltown was overwhelmingly and almost universally caused by private lenders.

Only one of the top 25 lenders were even subject to the government rules you cons cry about. And the subprime lending that was going on was overwhelmingly being conducted by private lenders, without regard to government programs.


Are you really making the argument that republicans were out to regulate the markets and defend consumers?
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Private lenders that were berated by the federal government if they had not made risky loans

You were right on a republican causing the first great depression. The interventionist Hoover did not allow the market to correct, plowing crops down, setting price controls, enacted protectionist tarriffs, among other things. Certainly, this was continued by FDR, but Hoover was much to blame for his interference. This is analogous to Bush interventions on the housing market, allowing Alan Greenspan to depress interest rates to way below market value, and encouraging the sale of homes to risky borrowers.

Using your logic though, it's perfectly ok for the Democrats to employ the same tactics as Bush, since you know, a democrat is in the WH now, it must have a magically opposite effect. Your partisan hackery is suffocating me.

And yes, the party that supports less taxing and less spending (therefore, less inflation) is the party that supports the consumers. Think how hard inflation has made it for poor people to survive. Gas was nearing $5 in the summer last year, groceries are high, and the only thing coming down in price are homes. You don't have to be a mathematician or economist to understand that more spending means more printing means more price inflation. I feel really bad, as we're all going to have it rough, when the $trillions that Bush and Obama spent will come home to roost. All just to line the pockets of a few bankers and special interest groups.

Unlike you, I have no reservations in going against the party I usually vote for, and naming Bush one of the worst presidents ever. He was more collectivist and socialist in his policies than anyone since FDR. But unfortunately, you're a complete partisan hack, and can't admit Obama will be the same failure.
 
Dude... that is perhaps the most intelligent thing I have ever read on this board!

I don't mean that in a bad way either... competition for that title in anybodies book is going to be pretty stiff on this board.

-Joe

WHAT!!!!....have you never read a post by Chrissy or Bobo?
 
Tax cuts hurt the economy only if, over the long-run, spending is not cut. Otherwise, tax cuts help the economy.

But supply-siders must realize that cutting taxes without cutting spending is merely Keynsianism in reverse.

Not exactly. You only have to cut spending if tax revenues don't equal expenditures. In some cases, reducing taxes can actually increase tax revenues.

We sure have seen that over the last eight years, haven't we:doubt:
 
Well it was rich people who gave us the current mess. ...
Hey "Fact" Finder, get a fucking clue. It was the poor folk who couldn't their fucking house payments who sank this economy. Don't be such a fucking dummy.

Hey numbnuts, when the 'poor' people cannot find work, how are they supposed to pay for house payments or anything else. Even those of us who have relitively low payments due to buying in early and getting good mortgages, would be hard pressed to find a job in this employment climate.

No, it was not the "poor folk" that created this current debacle, it was the people who deregulated the banks. Those regulations were for reasons that were very apparent in the First Great Republican Depression. They are even more apparent in the Second Great Republican Depression.

Lie about anything at all that pleases you. Doesn't change the fact that the people that you have supported created and are resposible for the Depression.
 
Well it was rich people who gave us the current mess. ...
Hey "Fact" Finder, get a fucking clue. It was the poor folk who couldn't their fucking house payments who sank this economy. Don't be such a fucking dummy.

Hey numbnuts, when the 'poor' people cannot find work, how are they supposed to pay for house payments or anything else. Even those of us who have relitively low payments due to buying in early and getting good mortgages, would be hard pressed to find a job in this employment climate.

No, it was not the "poor folk" that created this current debacle, it was the people who deregulated the banks. Those regulations were for reasons that were very apparent in the First Great Republican Depression. They are even more apparent in the Second Great Republican Depression.

Lie about anything at all that pleases you. Doesn't change the fact that the people that you have supported created and are resposible for the Depression.

So do you take your laptop with you to the bread line complaining that the wireless signal isn't as good as Starbucks?
 
Well it was rich people who gave us the current mess. ...
Hey "Fact" Finder, get a fucking clue. It was the poor folk who couldn't their fucking house payments who sank this economy. Don't be such a fucking dummy.

Hey numbnuts, when the 'poor' people cannot find work, how are they supposed to pay for house payments or anything else. Even those of us who have relitively low payments due to buying in early and getting good mortgages, would be hard pressed to find a job in this employment climate.

No, it was not the "poor folk" that created this current debacle, it was the people who deregulated the banks. Those regulations were for reasons that were very apparent in the First Great Republican Depression. They are even more apparent in the Second Great Republican Depression.

Lie about anything at all that pleases you. Doesn't change the fact that the people that you have supported created and are resposible for the Depression.

Then ... why not start new businesses ... this is another of those "complain about the corporations yet being too lazy to actually DO anything about it."
 
i have a question......

would you rather have 500,000 or have the company you work for grow 10% per year.....
 
Well it was rich people who gave us the current mess. ...
Hey "Fact" Finder, get a fucking clue. It was the poor folk who couldn't their fucking house payments who sank this economy. Don't be such a fucking dummy.

Hey numbnuts, when the 'poor' people cannot find work, how are they supposed to pay for house payments or anything else. Even those of us who have relitively low payments due to buying in early and getting good mortgages, would be hard pressed to find a job in this employment climate.

No, it was not the "poor folk" that created this current debacle, it was the people who deregulated the banks. Those regulations were for reasons that were very apparent in the First Great Republican Depression. They are even more apparent in the Second Great Republican Depression.

Lie about anything at all that pleases you. Doesn't change the fact that the people that you have supported created and are resposible for the Depression.


uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh that was clinton....

and how did poor people get a home loan
 
Hey "Fact" Finder, get a fucking clue. It was the poor folk who couldn't their fucking house payments who sank this economy. Don't be such a fucking dummy.

Hey numbnuts, when the 'poor' people cannot find work, how are they supposed to pay for house payments or anything else. Even those of us who have relitively low payments due to buying in early and getting good mortgages, would be hard pressed to find a job in this employment climate.

No, it was not the "poor folk" that created this current debacle, it was the people who deregulated the banks. Those regulations were for reasons that were very apparent in the First Great Republican Depression. They are even more apparent in the Second Great Republican Depression.

Lie about anything at all that pleases you. Doesn't change the fact that the people that you have supported created and are resposible for the Depression.

Then ... why not start new businesses ... this is another of those "complain about the corporations yet being too lazy to actually DO anything about it."

He could call it Sham Marketing R Us.
Probably get alot of AGW clients.
 
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No.

"There is no historical evidence that tax cuts spur economic growth. The highest period of growth in U.S. history (1933-1973) also saw its highest tax rates on the rich: 70 to 91 percent. During this period, the general tax rate climbed as well, but it reached a plateau in 1969, and growth slowed down five years later. Almost all rich nations have higher general taxes than the U.S., and they are growing faster as well."

Tax cuts spur economic growth

The Idolatry of Ideology-Why Tax Cuts Hurt the Economy by Russ Beaton
 
Tax cuts don't stimulate the economy if they are not coupled with spending cuts.

The government must not spend more than it takes from us period.

But right now, taxes probably shouldn't be cut but spending should be slashed to the bone.
 
No.

"There is no historical evidence that tax cuts spur economic growth. The highest period of growth in U.S. history (1933-1973) also saw its highest tax rates on the rich: 70 to 91 percent. During this period, the general tax rate climbed as well, but it reached a plateau in 1969, and growth slowed down five years later. Almost all rich nations have higher general taxes than the U.S., and they are growing faster as well."

Tax cuts spur economic growth

The Idolatry of Ideology-Why Tax Cuts Hurt the Economy by Russ Beaton

It also saw higher spending power for those in minimum wage jobs and a much larger middle class comparatively.
 
Tax cuts don't stimulate the economy if they are not coupled with spending cuts.

The government must not spend more than it takes from us period.

But right now, taxes probably shouldn't be cut but spending should be slashed to the bone.


It must be 'opposite day/week/month/year' in DC.
 
Dude... that is perhaps the most intelligent thing I have ever read on this board!

I don't mean that in a bad way either... competition for that title in anybodies book is going to be pretty stiff on this board.

-Joe

WHAT!!!!....have you never read a post by Chrissy or Bobo?

Of course I've read them. I've read just about everyone... that's what I meant by 'not in a bad way'. Sheeeeeesh, what's a guy gotta do to give a compliment around here?!?

:eusa_think:

-Joe
 
Well it was rich people who gave us the current mess. ...
Hey "Fact" Finder, get a fucking clue. It was the poor folk who couldn't their fucking house payments who sank this economy. Don't be such a fucking dummy.

Hey numbnuts, when the 'poor' people cannot find work, how are they supposed to pay for house payments or anything else. Even those of us who have relitively low payments due to buying in early and getting good mortgages, would be hard pressed to find a job in this employment climate.

No, it was not the "poor folk" that created this current debacle, it was the people who deregulated the banks. Those regulations were for reasons that were very apparent in the First Great Republican Depression. They are even more apparent in the Second Great Republican Depression.

Lie about anything at all that pleases you. Doesn't change the fact that the people that you have supported created and are resposible for the Depression.

Hey pussnuts- your guy Barney Fag shouldn't have enabled them to buy fucking homes in the first place.
 
Hey "Fact" Finder, get a fucking clue. It was the poor folk who couldn't their fucking house payments who sank this economy. Don't be such a fucking dummy.

Hey numbnuts, when the 'poor' people cannot find work, how are they supposed to pay for house payments or anything else. Even those of us who have relitively low payments due to buying in early and getting good mortgages, would be hard pressed to find a job in this employment climate.

No, it was not the "poor folk" that created this current debacle, it was the people who deregulated the banks. Those regulations were for reasons that were very apparent in the First Great Republican Depression. They are even more apparent in the Second Great Republican Depression.

Lie about anything at all that pleases you. Doesn't change the fact that the people that you have supported created and are resposible for the Depression.

Hey pussnuts- your guy Barney Fag shouldn't have enabled them to buy fucking homes in the first place.

:lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol:

Ohh... Geeze... I think I just wet myself a little...:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

-Joe
 
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No.

"There is no historical evidence that tax cuts spur economic growth. The highest period of growth in U.S. history (1933-1973) also saw its highest tax rates on the rich: 70 to 91 percent. During this period, the general tax rate climbed as well, but it reached a plateau in 1969, and growth slowed down five years later. Almost all rich nations have higher general taxes than the U.S., and they are growing faster as well."

Tax cuts spur economic growth

The Idolatry of Ideology-Why Tax Cuts Hurt the Economy by Russ Beaton

I always love that 70-91% tax rate myth. The REALITY was virtually EVERYTHING was deductible and there were no AGI limits on deductions. In 1983 before the Reagan rate cuts took effect, I was in the 70% tax bracket...and i paid less than 10% after deductions! I pay a higher percentage now in the 35% bracket than I ever did under the pre-Reagan days of 70%+ rates. Reagan lowered rates by closed virtually all the loopholes.
 

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