Divide Among Democrats over Israel and Hamas

Seymour Flops

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How much of an effect will it have on the election?


Being a progressive Jewish lawmaker has become an increasingly lonely club on Capitol Hill. As the war in the Middle East continues, many Jews and progressives have increasingly found themselves at odds with each other over Israel’s handling of the war and President Joe Biden’s positions on it, only to expose painful underlying divisions by some over whether Israel even has the right to exist.

Raskin is part of a unique group of House lawmakers including Democratic Reps. Becca Balint of Vermont, Sara Jacobs of California and Jan Schakowsky of Illinois who are using their ties to both groups to try and find nuance and middle ground. They have all leaned on each other as they’ve tried to navigate what their Jewish and progressive identities mean to them in this moment. Part of an active group chat with other Jewish colleagues, these four often huddle together to discuss how to navigate issues where they don’t neatly align with other pro-Israel Democrats or their other progressive colleagues.

The four lawmakers, like some of their other colleagues, are facing heat from all sides. There are those in the progressive movement who think they are not sufficiently calling for a ceasefire, even though all of them have at this point, and more centrist Jews who do not believe they are being pro-Israel enough when they join the growing international community in criticizing Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s tactics that have killed tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians. They have faced protests both on Capitol Hill and in their districts. And aside from each other, they often feel isolated.


They are trying to walk too fine a line. Honestly, I don't see much middle ground to be had in discussions of Israel and Hamas. No one is likely to change their mind and switch to the other side, and no one is likely to sign on to any middle ground those four lonely lawmakers may be trying to come up with.

Obviously, the pro-Trump and Never-Trump split in the GOP is worse than this recent chasm among Dems. At least so far. The Dems rely heavily on college-aged voters, and they are largely pro-Hamas at the moment.

Not only that, but the media has also declared its full support of Hamas over Israel by reporting day after day on the plight of the suffering Palestinians while never mentioning Hamas as a cause of that suffering. NPR, especially, should be on Hamas' payroll given the coverage that official state radio is giving the conflict. That has to pull some Dems away from the polls in November. Or I can see many squad member voters leaving the top spot on the ballot blank.
 
---American Jews Overwhelmingly Back Two-State Solution---

 
---U.S. Jews have widely differing views on Israel---

As to most groups.

Point is that now Democrats have widely differing views on Israel. Democrats don't usually have widely differing views on anything. Dissent is punished too harshly for that.

Now there is an issue that will force pro-Hamas Democrats to either vote for a president who supports Israel's efforts to wipe Hamas out, or helping Trump to victory by staying home or by casting a protest vote for president.
 
(a) The IDF/Hamas conflict presents an almost unbearable conflict between logical thought and the overwhelming need to see every major confrontation as pitting an Oppressor and an Oppressed. Clearly, the IDF, representing an advanced, educated, successful society must be the Oppressor, which automatically makes Hamas the Oppressed. Therefore, Leftists MUST side with Hamas, regardless of what logical thought would indicate.

(b) The "Two-State Solution" is as dead as Joe Biden's reputation for truth-telling. Not even a Democrat is stupid enough to think that the 2SS is a reason to vote for Biden.
 
(a) The IDF/Hamas conflict presents an almost unbearable conflict between logical thought and the overwhelming need to see every major confrontation as pitting an Oppressor and an Oppressed. Clearly, the IDF, representing an advanced, educated, successful society must be the Oppressor, which automatically makes Hamas the Oppressed. Therefore, Leftists MUST side with Hamas, regardless of what logical thought would indicate.

(b) The "Two-State Solution" is as dead as Joe Biden's reputation for truth-telling. Not even a Democrat is stupid enough to think that the 2SS is a reason to vote for Biden.
A Two or Three State Solution is Suicide for Israel ( The tiny Jewish State )
 
How much of an effect will it have on the election?


Being a progressive Jewish lawmaker has become an increasingly lonely club on Capitol Hill. As the war in the Middle East continues, many Jews and progressives have increasingly found themselves at odds with each other over Israel’s handling of the war and President Joe Biden’s positions on it, only to expose painful underlying divisions by some over whether Israel even has the right to exist.

Raskin is part of a unique group of House lawmakers including Democratic Reps. Becca Balint of Vermont, Sara Jacobs of California and Jan Schakowsky of Illinois who are using their ties to both groups to try and find nuance and middle ground. They have all leaned on each other as they’ve tried to navigate what their Jewish and progressive identities mean to them in this moment. Part of an active group chat with other Jewish colleagues, these four often huddle together to discuss how to navigate issues where they don’t neatly align with other pro-Israel Democrats or their other progressive colleagues.

The four lawmakers, like some of their other colleagues, are facing heat from all sides. There are those in the progressive movement who think they are not sufficiently calling for a ceasefire, even though all of them have at this point, and more centrist Jews who do not believe they are being pro-Israel enough when they join the growing international community in criticizing Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s tactics that have killed tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians. They have faced protests both on Capitol Hill and in their districts. And aside from each other, they often feel isolated.


They are trying to walk too fine a line. Honestly, I don't see much middle ground to be had in discussions of Israel and Hamas. No one is likely to change their mind and switch to the other side, and no one is likely to sign on to any middle ground those four lonely lawmakers may be trying to come up with.

Obviously, the pro-Trump and Never-Trump split in the GOP is worse than this recent chasm among Dems. At least so far. The Dems rely heavily on college-aged voters, and they are largely pro-Hamas at the moment.

Not only that, but the media has also declared its full support of Hamas over Israel by reporting day after day on the plight of the suffering Palestinians while never mentioning Hamas as a cause of that suffering. NPR, especially, should be on Hamas' payroll given the coverage that official state radio is giving the conflict. That has to pull some Dems away from the polls in November. Or I can see many squad member voters leaving the top spot on the ballot blank.
Democrats are bleeding young voters who are in favor of Hamas. They have no reason to vote.
 
If young Democrats truly believe that what the Israelis are doing is genocide, rather than trying to prevent genocide, I don’t see how they could vote for Biden, or any pro-Israel Democrat politician.
They do believe that because that is what their Progressive masters tell them and they are not allowed to think for themselves.
 
Democrats are beyond inconsistent. They’re insane.
Here you have democrat students, protesting in defense of pro-Muslim-terrorists, shout down a democrat guest who was there to speak bad about trump and the democrat Marxist president of the university hosting the event calls it ‘democracy in action’.
Democrat stupidity is mind-bogglingly incoherent. Being around democrats is like being stuck in the mind of a sheep on LSD.

 

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