Disclosure vs Intimidation

[Alan Stallion]

Intimidation has been used by democrats before.

Prop 8 Donors Who Are Threatened File Suit

It works quite well. Just find out who voted against your pet interest and threaten them so much that no one else will do the same thing.

Yup, I also had that issue in mind. While I didn't make a contribution directly to the campaign (I helped out a local org promoting "Yes on 8"), I did publicly endorse and my name floated out there on the hate lists of the bullies.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I was just thinking about this the other day, and this makes an important discussion. I've contributed money before, as well as public endorsements (my choice to be public on that matter), so my name floats out there under public disclosure.

We have a private ballot so people cannot bully us by how we vote, and we also vote in a way by money contributions, and of course those in positions of power can bully those who support a candidate or cause.

So while I'm inclined to initially support open disclosure and transparency, the blowback by those who would intimidate and threaten contributors makes me quickly back off fully supporting open disclosure and take second an third looks on the matter.

I'd be interested in the responses to this topic.

There won't be any response, I posted this a couple of days ago and was ignored.

Sorry Windy, I must've missed your thread.

Not a problem, you got 10 times the response I did. It is pathetic that people that are still screaming about Bush are ignoring the fact that Obama is doing shit like this.

 

[Jackson]

What did you expect from a Chicago Community Activist who worked for Acorn? He's a thug. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Wiseacre]

The problem is not disclosure and transparency.

The problem is abuse of power by the current administration and their henchthugs in the bureaucracy, unions, and media.

Hard to prove though, which is why I do think that we should consider the consequences of requiring public release of individual names who made PAC donations.

I do think that every political ad should be okayed by a state board in each state the ad runs. The ad should have to say who the ad is supposed to support, and the candidate should have to approve the ad before it airs. At least we can do away with the excuse that they have no control over what somebody else says in an ad.

I don't. Having a governmental board approve ads means censorship.

Well, I didn't exactly mean censorship, just that the ad is registered and a candidate or political candidate or party assumes accountability for it.

 

[candycorn]

There is no enemies list.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

There is no enemies list.

This isn't a list?

Behind the curtain: A brief history of Romney’s donors — Barack Obama

 

[LoneLaugher]

OK

Which is it?

Are liberals limp-wristed, appeasing whiners with no balls..........OR......are we devious, violent aggressors with no concern for the welfare of others?

 

[Wiseacre]

OK

Which is it?

Are liberals limp-wristed, appeasing whiners with no balls..........OR......are we devious, violent aggressors with no concern for the welfare of others?

Neither, but maybe not as tolerant of different points of view as you should be. And not as principled as you should be either in your tactics. Not you personally, but some of your liberal friends maybe.

 

[candycorn]

There is no enemies list.

This isn't a list?

Behind the curtain: A brief history of Romney’s donors — Barack Obama

It appears to be a factual list of those who have contributed to Governor Romney's campaign. How that makes it an "enemies list" is unclear.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Hmmmmm. Careful there WiseAcre, you might just be mistaken for a rational being......

 

[Wiseacre]

Hmmmmm. Careful there WiseAcre, you might just be mistaken for a rational being......

God save me!

 

[Trajan]

merged

 

[Shelzin]

Strassel acknowledges the investigations could be unrelated to VanderSloot’s inclusion on the enemies list. It reveals, however, the danger of persecuting private individuals for their political donations.

Remember the discussion we had recently about the Disclose Act? Yeah sure, it'd be great to know who's donating what to who. But do we also want stuff like this going on? Which is the greater transgression?

As long as you, general you there, promote a two party system and only see "us and them" then... Guess what... You'll have this kind of thing. Nothing you can do to stop it.

Or in a nutshell... the fix to this is "anybody but Obama" or "anybody but Bush" needs to go right out the fuck'n window. Grow a pair of balls, or tits as it were, and start voting for someone worthy, rather than the lesser of two evils that essentially have the same end game only slightly different methods to get there.

 

[Trajan]

for an admin. with guys like this running around, hey, this imho, was most likely not an accident. Gov. apparatchiks know what their masters want....just like that shitheel who used her power to look up confidential information on Joe the Plumber...


Armendariz continued: “And so, you make examples out of people who are, in this case, not complying with the law. You find people who are not complying with the law and you hit ‘em as hard as you can and you make examples out of them, there’s a deterrent effect there. And companies that are smart see that. They don’t want to play that game, and they decide at that point that it’s time to clean up. And that won’t happen unless you have somebody out there making examples.”
see video....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jfh4uCSbo4g

 

[Wiseacre]

Strassel acknowledges the investigations could be unrelated to VanderSloot’s inclusion on the enemies list. It reveals, however, the danger of persecuting private individuals for their political donations.

Remember the discussion we had recently about the Disclose Act? Yeah sure, it'd be great to know who's donating what to who. But do we also want stuff like this going on? Which is the greater transgression?

As long as you, general you there, promote a two party system and only see "us and them" then... Guess what... You'll have this kind of thing. Nothing you can do to stop it.

Or in a nutshell... the fix to this is "anybody but Obama" or "anybody but Bush" needs to go right out the fuck'n window. Grow a pair of balls, or tits as it were, and start voting for someone worthy, rather than the lesser of two evils that essentially have the same end game only slightly different methods to get there.

2 party system, 3 , 4, whatever. Not sure it matters. Still us vs them.

I've been voting for the lesser of 2 evils since 1970, most of the time. I'd love to vote for somebody worthy, won't hold my breath waiting.

Other thing is, the left and right do not have the same end in mind for our country. Who agrees with who on what the optimal outcome is?

 

[Shelzin]

2 party system, 3 , 4, whatever. Not sure it matters. Still us vs them.

I've been voting for the lesser of 2 evils since 1970, most of the time. I'd love to vote for somebody worthy, won't hold my breath waiting.

There is nothing stopping you from voting in someone worthy, other than your "us vs them" mentality. Therefor you are a part of the problem, not the solution. In my opinion of course.

Other thing is, the left and right do not have the same end in mind for our country. Who agrees with who on what the optimal outcome is?

Well... What's the last president do you think hasn't fucked over the country?

 

[candycorn]

2 party system, 3 , 4, whatever. Not sure it matters. Still us vs them.

I've been voting for the lesser of 2 evils since 1970, most of the time. I'd love to vote for somebody worthy, won't hold my breath waiting.

There is nothing stopping you from voting in someone worthy, other than your "us vs them" mentality. Therefor you are a part of the problem, not the solution. In my opinion of course.

Other thing is, the left and right do not have the same end in mind for our country. Who agrees with who on what the optimal outcome is?

Well... What's the last president do you think hasn't fucked over the country?

It's an unfair assessment you're making. It would be much like blaming the Donner Party survivors for eating their fellow voyagers. They have no choice and neither do "we".

Where as bad intel, climate, and a certain amount of hubris caused their circumstances, the US electorate is a victim of a system set up by those it benefits so naturally, the two parties work together to preserve the two choices. If there were a third party that was respectable; it would get funding from the same sources thus cutting into the influence of the two parties.

It is all about money.

The only way to change it is to have the constitution further perfected to change the rules of the game. We need 100% public financing of campaigns at the federal level with the funding being made available to anyone who get enough support from top to bottom. If two republicans are able to get enough support in the form of petitions of registered voters, both get funding for the general election.

 

[WillowTree]

OK

Which is it?

Are liberals limp-wristed, appeasing whiners with no balls..........OR......are we devious, violent aggressors with no concern for the welfare of others?

you are objects beneath contempt.

 

[AmericanFirst]

coincidence?

The IRS and the labor dept. within 2 weeks? Maybe, but that is some bad luck for ole Vandersloot......


July 19, 2012, 7:20 p.m. ET

Obama's Enemies List—Part II
First an Obama campaign website called out Romney donor Frank Vandersloot. Next the IRS moved to audit him—and so did the Labor Department.



This column has already told the story of Frank VanderSloot, an Idaho businessman who last year contributed to a group supporting Mitt Romney. An Obama campaign website in April sent a message to those who'd donate to the president's opponent. It called out Mr. VanderSloot and seven other private donors by name and occupation and slurred them as having "less-than-reputable" records.

Mr. VanderSloot has since been learning what it means to be on a presidential enemies list. Just 12 days after the attack, the Idahoan found an investigator digging to unearth his divorce records. This bloodhound—a recent employee of Senate Democrats—worked for a for-hire opposition research firm.

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Now Mr. VanderSloot has been targeted by the federal government. In a letter dated June 21, he was informed that his tax records had been "selected for examination" by the Internal Revenue Service. The audit also encompasses Mr. VanderSloot's wife, and not one, but two years of past filings (2008 and 2009).


Two weeks after receiving the IRS letter, Mr. VanderSloot received another—this one from the Department of Labor. He was informed it would be doing an audit of workers he employs on his Idaho-based cattle ranch under the federal visa program for temporary agriculture workers.

The H-2A program allows tens of thousands of temporary workers in the U.S.; Mr. VanderSloot employs precisely three. All are from Mexico and have worked on the VanderSloot ranch—which employs about 20 people—for five years. Two are brothers. Mr. VanderSloot has never been audited for this, though two years ago his workers' ranch homes were inspected. (The ranch was fined $8,400, mainly for too many "flies" and for "grease build-up" on the stove. God forbid a cattle ranch home has flies.)

This letter requests an array of documents to ascertain whether Mr. VanderSloot's "foreign workers are provided the full scope of protections" under the visa program: information on the hours they've worked each day and their rate of pay, an explanation of their deductions, copies of contracts. And on and on.

more at-

Strassel: Obama's Enemies List—Part II - WSJ.com

Sounds familiar. Remember when Palin was selected as McCain's running mate and obamaturd sent his ghetto thugs to Alaska to dig up dirt on her. He is nothing more than a clinton type dirty dimwit.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Oh look.

Yet MORE rw bullshit.

Oh look, a left wing pos.