Democrats Vote to Give Free Healthcare to Illegal Immigrants

[Clementine]

The way the bill was written (likely on purpose) doesn't stop illegals from getting free healthcare. While it claims illegals aren't eligible, it also states that no one will be asked to prove citizenship in order to be covered. So, what good does it do to exclude non-citizens from participating, then making sure no one is able to find out who is or isn't a citizen? The Dems think they are so clever that they can have it both ways. Lie to the American people and tell them no illegals will be covered, then make sure that they are.

The Republicans wanted to clarify this part of the bill and ensure that Obama kept his promise to the American people and the Dems refused. They know what they're doing. This is all by design. Obama is a big fat liar and he knew illegals would be included even as he promised they wouldn't. Joe Wilson also knew what was going on when he openly called Obama a liar. The Dems acted so indignant when Wilson called Obama a liar for claiming illegals would not be covered. Well, Obama is a liar and Joe Wilson was right.

The Senate early Saturday morning defeated the amendment to the budget resolution which would have put the Senate on record as opposing access to health care under Medicaid or the Affordable Care Act for undocumented immigrants who get a green card.
Just to clarify, there is ambiguity in the Obamacare law and the GOP’s measure would have resolved it. The Democrats voted in committee to block it.

Seriously, though, the Democrats made a big to-do when Representative Joe Wilson shouted ‘you lie’ to Barack Obama during a 2009 joint session of Congress after the president claimed that illegal immigrants wouldn’t be ‘insured’ (a euphemism when it comes to Obamacare).

Democrats Vote to Give Free Healthcare to Illegal Immigrants
You Lie: Democrats Vote to Give Free Healthcare to Illegal Immigrants | Independent Journal Review

 

[healthmyths]

The way the bill was written (likely on purpose) doesn't stop illegals from getting free healthcare. While it claims illegals aren't eligible, it also states that no one will be asked to prove citizenship in order to be covered. So, what good does it do to exclude non-citizens from participating, then making sure no one is able to find out who is or isn't a citizen? The Dems think they are so clever that they can have it both ways. Lie to the American people and tell them no illegals will be covered, then make sure that they are.

The Republicans wanted to clarify this part of the bill and ensure that Obama kept his promise to the American people and the Dems refused. They know what they're doing. This is all by design. Obama is a big fat liar and he knew illegals would be included even as he promised they wouldn't. Joe Wilson also knew what was going on when he openly called Obama a liar. Joe was being honest and he was right.

The Senate early Saturday morning defeated the amendment to the budget resolution which would have put the Senate on record as opposing access to health care under Medicaid or the Affordable Care Act for undocumented immigrants who get a green card.
Just to clarify, there is ambiguity in the Obamacare law and the GOP’s measure would have resolved it. The Democrats voted in committee to block it.

Seriously, though, the Democrats made a big to-do when Representative Joe Wilson shouted ‘you lie’ to Barack Obama during a 2009 joint session of Congress after the president claimed that illegal immigrants wouldn’t be ‘insured’ (a euphemism when it comes to Obamacare).

Democrats Vote to Give Free Healthcare to Illegal Immigrants
You Lie: Democrats Vote to Give Free Healthcare to Illegal Immigrants | Independent Journal Review

Obama is a liar.

Here are the FACTS regarding how many are truly uninsured and it's not 46 million as Obama says!
Obama said 46 million 'uninsured".

10 million are NOT citizens!
And that means the statement Obama said:We are not a nation that accepts nearly 46 million uninsured men, women and children," is a LIE!
A nation means legal citizens!
Source: Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau
That leaves 36 million!
He LIED when he said "UNINSURED"
14 million are ALREADY eligible they haven't enrolled and since 2007 10 million have enrolled..IN MEDICAID!! DUMMY!
SOURCE: Read the FACTS Source: http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf

That leaves 22 million!

Then the most egregious claim of "UNINSURED" is about people that DON'T NEED or want to be insured!
18 million people under 34 making over $50,000.
They spend their own money $1,000 a year for health services and would be wasting their money on their employers' health insurance!
THEY DON'T WANT AND DON'T NEED IT!!!
Source: CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED: 2009
That leave 4 million truly wanting people that need insurance!

And it was this GROSS MISLEADING of Americans to think there are 46 million uninsured.
And because of Obamacare THERE WILL BE EVEN MORE UNINSURED!
So instead of solving the problem HE MADE IT WORSE!!


McKinsey & Company commissioned a survey of 1,329 U.S. private sector employers to measure their attitudes about healthcare reform concluded that 30% of all companies would stop providing health coverage once Obamacare kicked in in 2014.
Source: http://www.mckinsey.com/features/us_employer_healthcare_survey"]http://www.mckinsey.com/features/us_employer_healthcare_survey

BIG OBAMA LIE:"If you like your health-care plan, you keep your health-care plan. Nobody is going to force you to leave your health-care plan. If you like your doctor, you keep seeing your doctor. I don't want government bureaucrats meddling in your health care.

BIG OBAMA LIE:
Although President Obama repeatedly claimed that health-insurance premiums for a family would be $2,500 lower by the end of his first term, they are actually about $3,000 higher—a spread of about $5,500 per family.
SOURCE: Matthews and Litow: ObamaCare's Health-Insurance Sticker Shock - WSJ.com

 

[Clementine]

That's right, healthmyths, it's just another thing that Obama lied to us about. All we got regarding Obamacare is lies, lies and more lies. The biggest lie is that it's about health care. It's all about transferring more power to government and imposing 29 new, unfair taxes on the American people and having real time access to our money. I know the government drools at the thought of getting their filthy hands on our money and now they can.

 

[tjvh]

That's right, healthmyths, it's just another thing that Obama lied to us about. All we got regarding Obamacare is lies, lies and more lies. The biggest lie is that it's about health care. It's all about transferring more power to government and imposing 29 new, unfair taxes on the American people and having real time access to our money. I know the government drools at the thought of getting their filthy hands on our money and now they can.

And buying votes.

 

[Clementine]

That's right, healthmyths, it's just another thing that Obama lied to us about. All we got regarding Obamacare is lies, lies and more lies. The biggest lie is that it's about health care. It's all about transferring more power to government and imposing 29 new, unfair taxes on the American people and having real time access to our money. I know the government drools at the thought of getting their filthy hands on our money and now they can.

And buying votes.

And those votes need not be legal ones, either.

 

[Greenbeard]

This is what the Obamacare law states:

Does Not Require Proof of Citizenship to Obtain Health Services: While Section 246 (page 143) of the bill expressly prohibits illegal aliens from receiving government-run healthcare, the bill does not include a specific requirement that a person prove his or her citizenship in order to obtain affordability credits, which means that illegal aliens could obtain coverage.

What conservatives say it says. What is actually says:

SEC. 1411 [42 U.S.C. 18081]. PROCEDURES FOR DETERMINING ELIGIBILITY FOR EXCHANGE PARTICIPATION, PREMIUM TAX CREDITS AND REDUCED COST-SHARING, AND INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY EXEMPTIONS.
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(b) INFORMATION REQUIRED TO BE PROVIDED BY APPLICANTS.—
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(2) CITIZENSHIP OR IMMIGRATION STATUS.—The following information shall be provided with respect to every enrollee:

(A) In the case of an enrollee whose eligibility is based on an attestation of citizenship of the enrollee, the enrollee’s social security number.
(B) In the case of an individual whose eligibility is based on an attestation of the enrollee’s immigration status, the enrollee’s social security number (if applicable) and such identifying information with respect to the enrollee’s immigration status as the Secretary, after consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, determines appropriate.​

Exchanges will be capable of (not to mention required to) verifying citizenship information with the Social Security Administration of the Department of Homeland Security in real time:

Q1. What verification services will be available from the Federal data services hub on October 1, 2013 (“Day 1”)?

A: The Federal data services hub will provide the following services on Day 1. CMS is also pursuing data sources for additional verifications through the Federal data services hub and will keep states updated as they are confirmed:

• Social Security Number (SSN) verification via the Social Security Administration (SSA)
• Citizenship verification via SSA or the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) when relevant

 

[healthmyths]

This is what the Obamacare law states:

Does Not Require Proof of Citizenship to Obtain Health Services: While Section 246 (page 143) of the bill expressly prohibits illegal aliens from receiving government-run healthcare, the bill does not include a specific requirement that a person prove his or her citizenship in order to obtain affordability credits, which means that illegal aliens could obtain coverage.

What conservatives say it says. What is actually says:

SEC. 1411 [42 U.S.C. 18081]. PROCEDURES FOR DETERMINING ELIGIBILITY FOR EXCHANGE PARTICIPATION, PREMIUM TAX CREDITS AND REDUCED COST-SHARING, AND INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY EXEMPTIONS.
.
(b) INFORMATION REQUIRED TO BE PROVIDED BY APPLICANTS.—
.
(2) CITIZENSHIP OR IMMIGRATION STATUS.—The following information shall be provided with respect to every enrollee:

(A) In the case of an enrollee whose eligibility is based on an attestation of citizenship of the enrollee, the enrollee’s social security number.
(B) In the case of an individual whose eligibility is based on an attestation of the enrollee’s immigration status, the enrollee’s social security number (if applicable) and such identifying information with respect to the enrollee’s immigration status as the Secretary, after consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, determines appropriate.​

Exchanges will be capable of (not to mention required to) verifying citizenship information with the Social Security Administration of the Department of Homeland Security in real time:

Q1. What verification services will be available from the Federal data services hub on October 1, 2013 (“Day 1”)?

A: The Federal data services hub will provide the following services on Day 1. CMS is also pursuing data sources for additional verifications through the Federal data services hub and will keep states updated as they are confirmed:

• Social Security Number (SSN) verification via the Social Security Administration (SSA)
• Citizenship verification via SSA or the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) when relevant

It DID NOT stop Obama from using the false number of 46 million uninsured!
He counted 10 million illegal citizens as part of the 46 million!
He counted 14 million people who all they need to do is register with Medicaid as part of the 46 million uninsured!
He counted 18 million self sufficient earn over $50k and under 34 that refused to pay more for $1,000 a year with employers insurance!
That means 42 million that were NOT legal, 14 million already covered and 18 million that didn't need it!
That leaves 4 million that truly need and wanted coverage and NOW with the way Obamacare is designed the whole mess is collapsing!

MY whole point is if he can't even figure out how many truly are uninsured.. HOW IN THE HELL is in going to run health care?

His Medicare pays sometimes 6,000% mark ups over cost to hospitals because of EMTALA!
HIS legal donors wouldn't let him tax them 10% to reduce the $850 billion a year in defensive medicine caused by fear of lawsuits!
The solution WAS NOT destruction of health care of 98.8% of Americans that have and pay for insurance!