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Geee ... Where was that when Obama and Democrats passed a failed $1 Trillion 'Jobs' Bill that contained over 7,000 pieces of DNC-ONLY PORK and ended up costing tax payers approx. $774,000 PER JOB Obama claimed to have created / saved?and looky looky looky over there.... we are talking about a wall, when the real issue is the gvt WAY OVER SPENDING
House Approves $1.6 Billion for Border-Wall ConstructionGeee ... Where was that when Obama and Democrats passed a failed $1 Trillion 'Jobs' Bill that contained over 7,000 pieces of DNC-ONLY PORK and ended up costing tax payers approx. $774,000 PER JOB Obama claimed to have created / saved?and looky looky looky over there.... we are talking about a wall, when the real issue is the gvt WAY OVER SPENDING
House Approves $1.6 Billion for Border-Wall ConstructionGeee ... Where was that when Obama and Democrats passed a failed $1 Trillion 'Jobs' Bill that contained over 7,000 pieces of DNC-ONLY PORK and ended up costing tax payers approx. $774,000 PER JOB Obama claimed to have created / saved?and looky looky looky over there.... we are talking about a wall, when the real issue is the gvt WAY OVER SPENDING
Deficit Donald has spent only a tiny fraction of that $1.6 billion given to him for the wall more than a year ago.
So much for "shovel ready" horseshit, hypocrite.
you see planned and known yearly holidays as equal to a gvt shutdown?the average shutdown COSTS the US gvt $1.8 billion of our tax dollars.....
Then HELL, maybe we should just eliminate Christmas, Thanksgiving, Labor day, Veterans Day, Martin Luther King Day, etc....BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT 'SHUTS DOWN' ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE.
Then Trump can achieve his goal of running up more total debt than Obama. He is well on his way toward achieving it, and in record time!Progressive democrats are well on their way to making 2020 a Republican landslide. 2yrs of democrat controlled house will give Trumps second term control of both house and senate with Trump Republicans and very few rinos. Trump can then Really MAGA. dems, do your thing.
Call it whatever Breitbart is telling you to call it but we were no longer losing 745,000 jobs a month as we were when Gomer was president. The unemployment rate has been steadily dropping for 9 years and the "failed jobs bill" got things rolling.Geee ... Where was that when Obama and Democrats passed a failed $1 Trillion 'Jobs' Bill that contained over 7,000 pieces of DNC-ONLY PORK and ended up costing tax payers approx. $774,000 PER JOB Obama claimed to have created / saved?and looky looky looky over there.... we are talking about a wall, when the real issue is the gvt WAY OVER SPENDING
YOU DON'T?you see planned and known yearly holidays as equal to a gvt shutdown?
Apparently some like the welfare needle.Tax cuts create jobs and opportunity so people can get that government welfare needle out of their arm....Hold up tonto. You’re saying that Trump has stopped welfare dependency through tax cuts? I’d love to see how you try and connect those dots. Please show us how that worksTrump has liberated the masses from 'Economic Slavery', resulting in an end to the dependency of Americans on the Democrats and their social program benefits. Democrats seek to reverse that.
What a coincidence.During the midterm elections, Democrats all across the country promised to impose a trillion dollars in tax hikes.
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Trump's deficit for FY2019 is a trillion dollars. For ONE YEAR.
The only problem is that the Democrats' trillion dollars is over a ten year period.
All of a sudden you progressives are concerned about spending. Did you have a come to Jesus moment and he told you obama spent too so much money that we have to cut back now. Is that what it isThen Trump can achieve his goal of running up more total debt than Obama. He is well on his way toward achieving it, and in record time!Progressive democrats are well on their way to making 2020 a Republican landslide. 2yrs of democrat controlled house will give Trumps second term control of both house and senate with Trump Republicans and very few rinos. Trump can then Really MAGA. dems, do your thing.
Trump positively hates being second to anyone.
This picture comes to mind...Under Obama a record number of Americans were on Welfare, Unemployment, and Food Stamps.Hold up tonto. You’re saying that Trump has stopped welfare dependency through tax cuts? I’d love to see how you try and connect those dots. Please show us how that works
Because of Trump, we have the strongest economy in decades, the lowest unemployment in decades, the lowest minority unemployment in recorded US history, the most number of Americans working at one time, and a record number of Americans 'liberated' from off of the rolls / the dependency on Welfare and Food Stamps.
"How does that work.....?" Really? Try to think this one through and get back to me if you can't figure it out yourself. I will try to find a PICTURE for you on the internet.
I will give Trump credit for reducing regulations and red tape in government. He is going overboard on environmental issues but is doing well in other areas.
In the recent elections the Democrats did not offer one policy change that could possibly IMPROVE the current strongest economy / lowest unemployment going on now....except to declare once in the House they would increase taxes by $1 Trillion, which almost every economist states will reverse everything that was done to bring us to this point.
The claim that Obama and the Democrats had anything to do with the current economy has been proven false because what Democrats want to go back to is the economy / policies the Democrats had in place before. It was the deviation, the change in policies from those, that have resulted in this current success - which is Trump's and the GOPs. I do not see you giving them any credit.
Since the Democrats took the House, their plan has not changed - they still have no other idea on how to affect the economy than to go ahead with the $1 trillion in new taxes. And how has the markets reacted since the Democrats won the House back, faced with a Democratic Part controlled House in January and a $1 trillion tax increase looking. (The word 'Tank' suddenly comes to mind....)
Consumer confidence has been the highest it has been in decades under Trump. With the reality of a promised $1 Trillion tax increase by the Democrats coming...how do you think that will affect Consumer Confidence and their spending back onto the economy?
You said you would give him credit when it is warranted - it's warranted - I don't see you giving him any credit for anything.
Thank you for giving credit where credit is due.I will give Trump credit for reducing regulations and red tape in government. He is going overboard on environmental issues but is doing well in other areas.
In the recent elections the Democrats did not offer one policy change that could possibly IMPROVE the current strongest economy / lowest unemployment going on now....except to declare once in the House they would increase taxes by $1 Trillion, which almost every economist states will reverse everything that was done to bring us to this point.
The claim that Obama and the Democrats had anything to do with the current economy has been proven false because what Democrats want to go back to is the economy / policies the Democrats had in place before. It was the deviation, the change in policies from those, that have resulted in this current success - which is Trump's and the GOPs. I do not see you giving them any credit.
Since the Democrats took the House, their plan has not changed - they still have no other idea on how to affect the economy than to go ahead with the $1 trillion in new taxes. And how has the markets reacted since the Democrats won the House back, faced with a Democratic Part controlled House in January and a $1 trillion tax increase looking. (The word 'Tank' suddenly comes to mind....)
Consumer confidence has been the highest it has been in decades under Trump. With the reality of a promised $1 Trillion tax increase by the Democrats coming...how do you think that will affect Consumer Confidence and their spending back onto the economy?
You said you would give him credit when it is warranted - it's warranted - I don't see you giving him any credit for anything.
He also had a great impact on consumer confidence but I can’t get too happy about that as I see it as a bubble of false hope which is about to burst and send our markets to shit.
The recent election and Dem wins aren’t the cause of the down market. The market stopped growing at the beginning of the year. Nice try handing off blame on that one.
Also, you avoided answering my question which was to see stats of the effective change that Trump caused due to his policies. He has jacked up spending and kept the same trends that were under Obama yet he is taking credit for all of them. You can’t show the change through stats so you cloud it with a long winded false analysis.
See I expect conservatives to be responsible with spending and make sure our country can cash its checks. I expect them to rein in the size and power of government and keep the people and free market in balance. I expect the liberals to be dreamers and push for social justice and opportunity for the poor, elderly, disabled and oppressed.
There is a necessary balance that should be happening between the parties. But it’s broken. It’s because of partisan absolutists like yourself And it’s getting dangerous
There was a lot in there some I don’t agree with but much of it I do agree with so I’ll give you kudos for that post.Thank you for giving credit where credit is dues.I will give Trump credit for reducing regulations and red tape in government. He is going overboard on environmental issues but is doing well in other areas.
In the recent elections the Democrats did not offer one policy change that could possibly IMPROVE the current strongest economy / lowest unemployment going on now....except to declare once in the House they would increase taxes by $1 Trillion, which almost every economist states will reverse everything that was done to bring us to this point.
The claim that Obama and the Democrats had anything to do with the current economy has been proven false because what Democrats want to go back to is the economy / policies the Democrats had in place before. It was the deviation, the change in policies from those, that have resulted in this current success - which is Trump's and the GOPs. I do not see you giving them any credit.
Since the Democrats took the House, their plan has not changed - they still have no other idea on how to affect the economy than to go ahead with the $1 trillion in new taxes. And how has the markets reacted since the Democrats won the House back, faced with a Democratic Part controlled House in January and a $1 trillion tax increase looking. (The word 'Tank' suddenly comes to mind....)
Consumer confidence has been the highest it has been in decades under Trump. With the reality of a promised $1 Trillion tax increase by the Democrats coming...how do you think that will affect Consumer Confidence and their spending back onto the economy?
You said you would give him credit when it is warranted - it's warranted - I don't see you giving him any credit for anything.
He also had a great impact on consumer confidence but I can’t get too happy about that as I see it as a bubble of false hope which is about to burst and send our markets to shit.
The recent election and Dem wins aren’t the cause of the down market. The market stopped growing at the beginning of the year. Nice try handing off blame on that one.
Also, you avoided answering my question which was to see stats of the effective change that Trump caused due to his policies. He has jacked up spending and kept the same trends that were under Obama yet he is taking credit for all of them. You can’t show the change through stats so you cloud it with a long winded false analysis.
See I expect conservatives to be responsible with spending and make sure our country can cash its checks. I expect them to rein in the size and power of government and keep the people and free market in balance. I expect the liberals to be dreamers and push for social justice and opportunity for the poor, elderly, disabled and oppressed.
There is a necessary balance that should be happening between the parties. But it’s broken. It’s because of partisan absolutists like yourself And it’s getting dangerous
I actually have posted stats ... and the records the President has reached / surpassed in regards to the economy, unemployment, etc.
What it seems to be that you are seeking is the use of very specific numbers to go point by point in debate on who should get credit / blame. Much like Polling, I learned both in college and life that numbers - any numbers can be manipulated to say / prove anything you wish them to.
What can not be ignored, however, IMO, is the fact that the policies and actions taken and to which they remained loyal to in the last administration did NOT result in the economic success we now have.
It can not be rationally denied that lowering the tax codes and regulations - things the Democrats did not / would not do, resulted in manufacturing jobs Obama said would NEVER come back actually coming back, proving much needed jobs, higher pay, bonuses.
I think you would agree with me, as well, that millionaire politicians claiming that $1,000 or more in the pockets of average hard-working middle and lower class Americans is insignificant - 'peanuts' - was completely detached from the reality of the average working American and actually PISSED those Americans off. (THOSE kinds of completely stupid / moronic comments had a good deal with the Democrats losing the House before and is one of the example why many Democrats did not initially support her for Speaker).
I personally expect EVERY politician who goes to Washington to be responsible with spending - my tax dollars...and I will be the 1st to agree that neither party can take the proverbial 'moral - or economic - high ground in claiming to have done even close to a responsible job in the last several DECADES in regards to that.
In that, I usually find myself alone on that one because 'some' prefer to point fingers and demonize the other side......I find it funny that politicians have brainwashed and made 'party members' SO BLINDLY LOYAL that instead of joining together to hold ALL politicians accountable they instead stand around arguing about whose politicians are LESS CRIMINAL / CORRUPT than the other.
Thank you very much. I will point out, IMO, that THIS type of discussion - exchanging ideas and views and even being able to walk away agreeing to disagree - is what its all supposed to be about.There was a lot in there some I don’t agree with but much of it I do agree with so I’ll give you kudos for that post.