Debt Ceiling Unconstituitional?

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    Of course he'll ignore Congress. The problem is, if he takes it to court they say it can take years to decide! But the way he does things, he'll go through with it just because he always does what he wants anyway. He did it with Libya, he shoved obamacare down our throats when the majority of people were telling him NO, pushed the stimulus through when people were telling him NO, pushed "cash for clunkers" which was a huge farse, bailed out all his rich friends (with OUR money)...Can't wait until he's gone!
     
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    The 1935 Welfare/Warfare State Constitution

    1- Congress shall have authority to steal the gold and silver from the citizens;

    2- Congress shall manipulate the Federal Reserve Board to print paper money until its heart is content.

    3- Congress shall have the authority to print money , loot and plunder in order to finance whatever boondoggle will get them re-elected.

    John Maynard Keynes
    Founding Father

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    Why do we even have a debt ceiling? It's absolutely pointless if you keep raising it. It's a political play toy. If you're going to keep raising just get rid of it.
     
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    it would be the honest thing to do. It's not like having it does much good.
     
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    There is something to be said for forcing the issue when the politicians are all so selfish and childish.
     
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    At Republican National Committee, it may be otherwise occuring to them assembled, that their new wing: The Old Fat White People, Cavorting About Naked On Other People's Yachts--Dumping Substance And Other Treasure Into the Sea--doesn't even run the Republican Party, even now.

    Others are noting that the Executive Branch is actually the Obama Administration, and even Geithner is a part of it:

    Is the debt ceiling really unconstitutional? - Jun. 30, 2011

    RNC doesn't even control both legislative chambers. The minority have rights, but the Constitution is about Separation of Powers, and majority rule as well.

    The Republicans would have to come up with some way to sue. In the link, the best they can come up with is that Congress originated the spending now being questioned in the first place. The Republicans, even, will easily point out that it happened, again--and again--and again--and again--and again. In fact, it has even happened, many times before(?)! Most courts would find that to be a basis for a ruling the legislature has to own up. Barring that, then the Executive has to own up.

    The Congress only recently passed a Budget, only a few weeks. ago. Now they have to own up.

    The debt ceiling is more of a political cover. The Republicans now are chaffing that Obama even voted against it, when he may have showed up for work, even in the Senate.

    Now Obama has Tim. Secretary Tim seems to know what his job is all about. The Republicans created unfunded wars and unfunded Homeless Security(?)! The checks now get put into the mail.

    The Republicans likely went--many of them--to the same Ivy League where Obama and Michele went--and even where Bush was sure to go(?)! The other part remains unclear to this date, even now.

    The money part is different. People know a great deal about it(?)! It is Socialist. It originates of the Socialist Credit Market. People who use it are Socialists. The Republicans don't think they should be--and so want to take all the spending away.

    The Republicans took Schedule M away. Next will be paying customers in the stores: Which the Republicans intend to take away--Rapture or none! It's an "Intelligent Design" thing, with them--If maybe not at the Ivy League--which millions might say(?), if they could(?)!

    "Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
    (Many squaws now come to Lands of Money Nations--supporting the disabled, "criminal" machines that go, "ching...ching...ching," thinking maybe they are all bionic(?)!"
     
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    Not really but what is the benefit of taking it away. At least they actually have to acknowledge the debt once and a while with a vote.
     
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    The official wording of the 14th Amendment: "The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned." Obama should just go ahead and pay off the debts. If GOP Congressmen try to sue, they'll run into standing problems. If someone does find palpable standing somehow (stemming from a cognizable or imminent injury), the Supreme Court is VERY unlikely to contradict the explicit wording of the 14th Amendment in order to prevent a sitting Executive from paying the nation's debts.

    (Is the Debt Ceiling Unconstitutional? - Politics - The Atlantic Wire)

    The GOP premise is ridiculous. This isn't about deficits. This is about whether there should be a separate vote for raising the debt limit after the budget (passed by a GOP majority in the House!!!) agreed to spend to a degree that necessities borrowing beyond the debt limit. Only in the US system is there such a vote. And the 14th Amendment shows that the vote is almost definitely Constitutionally superfluous.
     

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