DARWIN'S MACROEVOLUTION: Why Unscientific?

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    ALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:

    DEFINITION OF MICRO-EVOLUTION:

    "Evolutionary change below the species level; change in the genetic makeup of a population from generation to generation." (SOURCE: Biology, 7th ed. Neil A. Campbell & Jane B. Reece)


    DEFINITION OF MACRO-EVOLUTION:

    "Evolutionary changes that happen over very long periods of time. This usually refers to the development of large new branches of life, such as vertebrates or mammals." (SOURCE: Evolution: The History of Life on Earth, Russ Hodge)


    DEFINITION OF SPECIES:
    Loosely speaking, a species is a related group of organisms that share a more or less distinctive form and are capable of interbreeding. As defined by Ernst Mayr, species are:


    "groups of actually or potentially interbreeding natural populations which are reproductively isolated from other such groups."
    Species - Definition | WordIQ.com


    ORGANIC/BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION is the theory that the first living organism developed from nonliving matter. Then, as it reproduced, it is said to have changed into different kinds of living things, producing ultimately all the different forms of life that have ever existed on earth, including humans. And all of this is believed to have been accomplished without intelligent direction or supernatural intervention. (Sources: (1) LIFE--How Did It Get Here? By Evolution or by Creation? pages 10-11; (2) Encyclopedia Britannica, page 1018)

    DARWIN'S THEORY IN 1859:

    "Therefore I should infer from analogy that probably all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form, into which life was first breathed." (Origin of Species, p. 484)


    EVOLUTION THEORY IN 2012:
    "The commonly accepted scientific theory about how life has changed since it originated has three major aspects.

    "1. The common descent of all organisms from (more or less) a single ancestor.

    "2. The origin of novel traits in a lineage

    "3. The mechanisms that cause some traits to persist while others perish"

    Evolution - Discussion and Encyclopedia Article. Who is Evolution? What is Evolution? Where is Evolution? Definition of Evolution. Meaning of Evolution.



    DISCUSSION QUESTIONS:
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    Just like Charles Darwin, the modern-day evolution scientific community asserts that every single animal that has ever existed came from one common ancestor aka came from a single animal (macro-evolution). Is there evidence proving that humans or animals evolved from completely different beings than what they presently are?

    2. Fossils are the bones of long-dead animals. Do fossils exist that show evolutionary transition of one type of animal to an entirely different type of animal (eg. a whale evolving into a bear)--which is an example of macro-evolution?

    3. When people in the pro-evolution scientific community speak about animals evolving into "new species," are they referring to one family of animal evolving into an entirely different family of animal (eg. a squirrel evolving into a bat or a dinosaur evolving into a bird)--which are examples of macro-evolution? Or are they referring to variations of the exact same type of animal (eg. Doberman dog, Bull dog, Rottweiler dog)--which is an example of micro-evolution?
     
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    I'm gonna get my popcorn. :D

    It won't be long they will be here.
     
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    Im going to preface this by saying I am a Christian that believes that God made all of creation. Science simply tells us HOW He did it.

    That being said, heres my answers you your questions

    1) the evidence is not complete proof but it does point in that direction, yes.

    2) No, thats a fundamental misunderstanding of Evolutioanry Theory. Whales didnt turn into bears, but the theory states they did share a common ancestor.

    3. An example of this is happening right now down in the Gulf of Mexico. It seems that the BP Oil Spill and the Chemicals used to clean it up quite literally burned out the eyes of the shrimp that spawned there. But there was a species of eyeless shrimp. The shrimp with eyes have undergone a mass die off, though not a complete extinction. But now without the sighted shrimp as competition, the eyeless shrimp have started reproducing in incredibly large numbers.

    So where one species dominated another now dominates. And were only about three generations of shrimp away from the toxic event.

    What we will see over the course of the next decade after 30 or so generations will give us great data as to the validity or non validity of the theory. Will the eyeless shrimp continue to dominate, or will surviors with eyes return? Or will the eyeless shrimp actually develop eyes?


    Good questions. Kudos.
     
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    Right wing argument: God did it.

    There, that's ALL they care to know about science. So don't pick on them anymore.
     
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    I think you just hit upon something very fundemental about ID versus Evolution.

    Let assume that some ID created a lifeform. The question from a scientist should be

    How did the ID create that life form?

    That should lead solidly into science, unless someone has the ID's phone number.


    Note: evolution does not disprove the existance of a god, but tries to describe a method of how living organisms came to be in the physical universe. ID states that there was a creator and all lifeforms come from it--but does no describe how. A point I totally missed until I read Vidi's post. Who says that reading threads is a waste of time??
     
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    I could not agree with you more. On your entire post.

    I will add: Science is not a threat to Faith. Science tells people the mechanisms of creation. It's up to the individual to decide if there is something else behind them.
     
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    That's fundamentally untrue. You are equating Faith with NeoConservatism. One does not equal the other. They are mutually exclusive.
     
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    Evolution does not say that all life came from one animal.

    Life as we know it came from one species of animal. Mutations to the DNA of that one species of animal led to the next species. Over millions and even billions of years, led to diversity of life and eventually to what we see now.
     
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    1.) Yes, every creature evolved from Adam and Eve.

    2.) Fossils are a tool of Satan to trick you. Any science having anything to do with fossils should be ignored, and those trying to use them are satan-worshippers.

    3.) Whatever words they type and put to print, should be burned with a Bible put in its place.
     
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    No all life originated from the first cell formed so actually we are all related by evolutionary thinking.
     

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