Creationism in UK schools

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    Despair.... It's sweeping the UK now aswell.

    Revealed: rise of creationism in UK schools

    Dozens of schools are using creationist teaching materials condemned by the government as "not appropriate to support the science curriculum", the Guardian has learned.
    The packs promote the creationist alternative to Darwinian evolution called intelligent design and the group behind them said 59 schools are using the information as "a useful classroom resource".

    A teacher at one of the schools said it intended to use the DVDs to present intelligent design as an alternative to Darwinism. Nick Cowan, head of chemistry at Bluecoat school, in Liverpool, said: "Just because it takes a negative look at Darwinism doesn't mean it is not science. I think to critique Darwinism is quite appropriate."

    But the government has made it clear that "neither intelligent design nor creationism are recognised scientific theories". The chairman of the parliamentary science and technology select committee, the Lib Dem MP Phil Willis, said he was horrified that the packs were being used in schools.

    "I am flabbergasted that any head of science would give credence to this creationist theory and be prepared to put it alongside Darwinism," he said. "Treating it as an alternative centralist theory alongside Darwinism in science lessons is deeply worrying."​
    http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,,1957858,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=1
     
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    They are presenting both creationism AND Darwinism. If Darwinism is so irrefutable, what are they afraid of?
     
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    Because it isn't science... it belongs in a theology class. Public school classes are not for proselytizing.
     
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    People look to science and religion for answers. If you are not allowed to teach religion in schools, are kids getting a fair shot? Some of the most highly regarded Universities in the world teach theology. If you dont'y want them taught in the same class, at least allow kids the opportunity to learn it in school somewhere.

    Not everyone wants thier kid brainwashed with silly science either.
     
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    Maybe not, but its truth. and truth, regardless of the source, is valuable.
     
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    Is there truth in Islam, Bhuddism, Hinduism, or any other religion?
     
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    When you talk about carbon dating, is that science or religion? When you talk about the geologic column, is that science or religion? When you talk about the effects of volcanic undersea activity, massive strata deposits, genetics, evidence of an ice age--is that science or religion?

    All of these are a part of the creation model.
     
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    Harvard is bringing back religion.

     
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    But there's the conundrum... it only has "truth" to those who have "faith". I'm all for comparative religion classes. I think, particularly in the world as it's currently configured, it's important for us to know what other people believe.

    But a comparative religion class, which gives information about what each group believes, is far different from proselytizing.... and my objection is to using government funds to proselytize or indoctrinate in any religion. Luckily the constitution sees it the same way.

    But knowledge about different beliefs .... I'm all for that. But we both know that these things aren't about knowledge, they're about conversion.
     

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