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Are you saying that the new DEM Socialist movement is being fueled by a push for more government regulations?BOOKER: “We have so perverted the ideal of capitalism that now we tolerate policies that are allowing a new era of monopolization, of oligarchies."
Yes, correct. Capitalism has been perverted by the ignorant, misled faux libertarians who don't understand that regulations and macro controls are a critical component of capitalism, not some evil beast.
As a result, the socialists and communists have something easy to point at, as they gain supporters by the day.
From this capitalist, I wish you folks would find another hobby.
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Sure, and more government control.Are you saying that the new DEM Socialist movement is being fueled by a push for more government regulations?BOOKER: “We have so perverted the ideal of capitalism that now we tolerate policies that are allowing a new era of monopolization, of oligarchies."
Yes, correct. Capitalism has been perverted by the ignorant, misled faux libertarians who don't understand that regulations and macro controls are a critical component of capitalism, not some evil beast.
As a result, the socialists and communists have something easy to point at, as they gain supporters by the day.
From this capitalist, I wish you folks would find another hobby.
.
All I have heard from Democrats is a near unanimous cry for 'free' everything. I'm not following you, what examples of regulation and control are gaining DEM support?Sure, and more government control.Are you saying that the new DEM Socialist movement is being fueled by a push for more government regulations?BOOKER: “We have so perverted the ideal of capitalism that now we tolerate policies that are allowing a new era of monopolization, of oligarchies."
Yes, correct. Capitalism has been perverted by the ignorant, misled faux libertarians who don't understand that regulations and macro controls are a critical component of capitalism, not some evil beast.
As a result, the socialists and communists have something easy to point at, as they gain supporters by the day.
From this capitalist, I wish you folks would find another hobby.
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And it's being handed to them.
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Booker says this shit all while trying to take money from Wall Street.BOOKER: “We have so perverted the ideal of capitalism that now we tolerate policies that are allowing a new era of monopolization, of oligarchies."
Yes, correct. Capitalism has been perverted by the ignorant, misled faux libertarians who don't understand that regulations and macro controls are a critical component of capitalism, not some evil beast.
As a result, the socialists and communists have something easy to point at, as they gain supporters by the day.
From this capitalist, I wish you folks would find another hobby.
.
Across the board, they are advocating for more centralized control. That's the basis of a euro-socialist democracy.All I have heard from Democrats is a near unanimous cry for 'free' everything. I'm not following you, what examples of regulation and control are gaining DEM support?Sure, and more government control.Are you saying that the new DEM Socialist movement is being fueled by a push for more government regulations?BOOKER: “We have so perverted the ideal of capitalism that now we tolerate policies that are allowing a new era of monopolization, of oligarchies."
Yes, correct. Capitalism has been perverted by the ignorant, misled faux libertarians who don't understand that regulations and macro controls are a critical component of capitalism, not some evil beast.
As a result, the socialists and communists have something easy to point at, as they gain supporters by the day.
From this capitalist, I wish you folks would find another hobby.
.
And it's being handed to them.
.
I honestly don't know how a national politician can be honest at this point.Phony lying politicians are the rule. The extreme rarity is an honest politician.
Across the board, they are advocating for more centralized control. That's the basis of a euro-socialist democracy.All I have heard from Democrats is a near unanimous cry for 'free' everything. I'm not following you, what examples of regulation and control are gaining DEM support?Sure, and more government control.Are you saying that the new DEM Socialist movement is being fueled by a push for more government regulations?BOOKER: “We have so perverted the ideal of capitalism that now we tolerate policies that are allowing a new era of monopolization, of oligarchies."
Yes, correct. Capitalism has been perverted by the ignorant, misled faux libertarians who don't understand that regulations and macro controls are a critical component of capitalism, not some evil beast.
As a result, the socialists and communists have something easy to point at, as they gain supporters by the day.
From this capitalist, I wish you folks would find another hobby.
.
And it's being handed to them.
.
From education to financial institutions to health care, they would increase government involvement and, as a result, regulation.
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Y'know, I once heard a great line: "The grass is always greener, where you choose to water it."Across the board, they are advocating for more centralized control. That's the basis of a euro-socialist democracy.All I have heard from Democrats is a near unanimous cry for 'free' everything. I'm not following you, what examples of regulation and control are gaining DEM support?Sure, and more government control.Are you saying that the new DEM Socialist movement is being fueled by a push for more government regulations?BOOKER: “We have so perverted the ideal of capitalism that now we tolerate policies that are allowing a new era of monopolization, of oligarchies."
Yes, correct. Capitalism has been perverted by the ignorant, misled faux libertarians who don't understand that regulations and macro controls are a critical component of capitalism, not some evil beast.
As a result, the socialists and communists have something easy to point at, as they gain supporters by the day.
From this capitalist, I wish you folks would find another hobby.
.
And it's being handed to them.
.
From education to financial institutions to health care, they would increase government involvement and, as a result, regulation.
.
You know, its funny, talking about a euro-socialist democracy. The Dems just LOVE to point to Sweden and talk about how great their SD is, but the truth is that going into the 70s and 80s, Sweden was one of the most successful economies in the entire world. And then they fucked it up with all these big gov't, total control socialist policies that almost ruined the place. But then they figured it out that such BS wasn't working and instead adopted lower taxes, less public spending, less regulation, and more privatization of things like Education. You know, stuff the GOP wants to do here. That have been proven to work in reality, as opposed to the socialist policies the Dems want that have proved over and over to NOT work.
Oh ok so it's the "free stuff" mantra they just aren't saying that means the government will be in control of the loans, health care etc to make it all "free".Across the board, they are advocating for more centralized control. That's the basis of a euro-socialist democracy.All I have heard from Democrats is a near unanimous cry for 'free' everything. I'm not following you, what examples of regulation and control are gaining DEM support?Sure, and more government control.Are you saying that the new DEM Socialist movement is being fueled by a push for more government regulations?BOOKER: “We have so perverted the ideal of capitalism that now we tolerate policies that are allowing a new era of monopolization, of oligarchies."
Yes, correct. Capitalism has been perverted by the ignorant, misled faux libertarians who don't understand that regulations and macro controls are a critical component of capitalism, not some evil beast.
As a result, the socialists and communists have something easy to point at, as they gain supporters by the day.
From this capitalist, I wish you folks would find another hobby.
.
And it's being handed to them.
.
From education to financial institutions to health care, they would increase government involvement and, as a result, regulation.
.
Actually that's an important point. Yes, it would be a mix of free market capitalism with heavier public oversight, not government ownership of production and distribution.Oh ok so it's the "free stuff" mantra they just aren't saying that means the government will be in control of the loans, health care etc to make it all "free".Across the board, they are advocating for more centralized control. That's the basis of a euro-socialist democracy.All I have heard from Democrats is a near unanimous cry for 'free' everything. I'm not following you, what examples of regulation and control are gaining DEM support?Sure, and more government control.Are you saying that the new DEM Socialist movement is being fueled by a push for more government regulations?BOOKER: “We have so perverted the ideal of capitalism that now we tolerate policies that are allowing a new era of monopolization, of oligarchies."
Yes, correct. Capitalism has been perverted by the ignorant, misled faux libertarians who don't understand that regulations and macro controls are a critical component of capitalism, not some evil beast.
As a result, the socialists and communists have something easy to point at, as they gain supporters by the day.
From this capitalist, I wish you folks would find another hobby.
.
And it's being handed to them.
.
From education to financial institutions to health care, they would increase government involvement and, as a result, regulation.
.
Y'know, I once heard a great line: "The grass is always greener, where you choose to water it."Across the board, they are advocating for more centralized control. That's the basis of a euro-socialist democracy.All I have heard from Democrats is a near unanimous cry for 'free' everything. I'm not following you, what examples of regulation and control are gaining DEM support?Sure, and more government control.Are you saying that the new DEM Socialist movement is being fueled by a push for more government regulations?
And it's being handed to them.
.
From education to financial institutions to health care, they would increase government involvement and, as a result, regulation.
.
You know, its funny, talking about a euro-socialist democracy. The Dems just LOVE to point to Sweden and talk about how great their SD is, but the truth is that going into the 70s and 80s, Sweden was one of the most successful economies in the entire world. And then they fucked it up with all these big gov't, total control socialist policies that almost ruined the place. But then they figured it out that such BS wasn't working and instead adopted lower taxes, less public spending, less regulation, and more privatization of things like Education. You know, stuff the GOP wants to do here. That have been proven to work in reality, as opposed to the socialist policies the Dems want that have proved over and over to NOT work.
There are definitely arguments against a euro-socialist democracy, but because of the blatant imbalances that have formed under capitalism, the grass looks much greener to more and more people.
So we have a choice to make: Do we address the imbalances, at least to some degree, or do we increase the risk of total change?
I saw another poster make a great point a while back: Making some concessions now would be an insurance policy against future electoral revolution. That makes sense to me. That's what we're looking at right now.
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No, actually they aren't. Regulations and macro controls are a perversion of capitalism. They are designed to create crony capitalism. Government tinkering with the economy is the exact opposite of capitalism.BOOKER: “We have so perverted the ideal of capitalism that now we tolerate policies that are allowing a new era of monopolization, of oligarchies."
Yes, correct. Capitalism has been perverted by the ignorant, misled faux libertarians who don't understand that regulations and macro controls are a critical component of capitalism, not some evil beast.
As a result, the socialists and communists have something easy to point at, as they gain supporters by the day.
From this capitalist, I wish you folks would find another hobby.
.
Well, that's the big question here: At what point do taxation and regulation of markets become "too much" of a drag on the dynamics of capitalism that you're producing a negative overall net result?Y'know, I once heard a great line: "The grass is always greener, where you choose to water it."Across the board, they are advocating for more centralized control. That's the basis of a euro-socialist democracy.All I have heard from Democrats is a near unanimous cry for 'free' everything. I'm not following you, what examples of regulation and control are gaining DEM support?Sure, and more government control.
And it's being handed to them.
.
From education to financial institutions to health care, they would increase government involvement and, as a result, regulation.
.
You know, its funny, talking about a euro-socialist democracy. The Dems just LOVE to point to Sweden and talk about how great their SD is, but the truth is that going into the 70s and 80s, Sweden was one of the most successful economies in the entire world. And then they fucked it up with all these big gov't, total control socialist policies that almost ruined the place. But then they figured it out that such BS wasn't working and instead adopted lower taxes, less public spending, less regulation, and more privatization of things like Education. You know, stuff the GOP wants to do here. That have been proven to work in reality, as opposed to the socialist policies the Dems want that have proved over and over to NOT work.
There are definitely arguments against a euro-socialist democracy, but because of the blatant imbalances that have formed under capitalism, the grass looks much greener to more and more people.
So we have a choice to make: Do we address the imbalances, at least to some degree, or do we increase the risk of total change?
I saw another poster make a great point a while back: Making some concessions now would be an insurance policy against future electoral revolution. That makes sense to me. That's what we're looking at right now.
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Okay, first of all, I think the notion that future electoral revolution is fast approaching is not true. If Hillary had won in 2016, we wouldn't be hearing jack squat about any electoral revolution. Income inequality would not have changed and we'd still have the same imbalances. If anything, they got worse under Obama.
Next, those euro-socialist democracies are a lot more broad-based than our current tax system is. Over there, it's EVERYBODY pays, not just the wealthy, and here's the thing, because of that increased tax burden and heavier oversight, you end up with a lot less innovation and entrepreneurship. You would be going to GDP growth like it is in Europe these days, barely above recession levels. They have problems with too many immigrants, well so do we. If you're going to cover all these people coming into the country than somebody is going to pay for it eventually, either us (or some of us) now, or future generations as the debt continues to skyrocket.
So, what are you gonna do? How do you address income imbalances without killing the golden goose?
Okay. You stay at all-or-nothing and we'll see how this goes.No, actually they aren't. Regulations and macro controls are a perversion of capitalism. They are designed to create crony capitalism. Government tinkering with the economy is the exact opposite of capitalism.BOOKER: “We have so perverted the ideal of capitalism that now we tolerate policies that are allowing a new era of monopolization, of oligarchies."
Yes, correct. Capitalism has been perverted by the ignorant, misled faux libertarians who don't understand that regulations and macro controls are a critical component of capitalism, not some evil beast.
As a result, the socialists and communists have something easy to point at, as they gain supporters by the day.
From this capitalist, I wish you folks would find another hobby.
.
Capitalism has been perverted by the ignorant, misled faux libertarians who don't understand that regulations and macro controls are a critical component of capitalism, not some evil beast.