Corporations are not people brings Saving American Democracy Amendment.

[newpolitics]

I would assume you place Unions in your remarks? After all? Aren't Unions Corporations unto themselves?

no

Corporation: A group of people working toward a common goal.

Union: A group of people working toward a common goal.

Yeah. Completely different.

details kind of matter Dave. try not to be so intellectually dishonest in generalizing to such an extent as to obscure all definition.

 

[merrill]

With Public Finance one would assume all special interest groups would excluded including unions.

Oddly special interest groups hire high dollar lobbyists which happen to be former congress people. For instance the health care industry provide 6 lobbyists per elected official. It's time to clean house.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

We’re on the verge of a sad anniversary. Two years ago Saturday, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 5-4 in Citizens United v. FEC that corporations have the same First Amendment rights as people. Bernie thinks the ruling was absurd. He has called it a threat to American democracy.

His answer is to make it crystal clear in the Constitution that corporations are not people, through his Saving American Democracy Amendment.

While corporations already are funneling untold millions in secret cash into Super PACS to sway this year’s elections, real people all across America are speaking out today against this horrendous ruling. They are gathering everywhere from the marble plaza outside the Supreme Court to city halls and statehouses throughout the country.


* Read Bernie’s column in The Guardian
We must stop this corporate takeover of American democracy - Newsroom: Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

* Read Bernie’s column in U.S. News & World Report
Overturn Citizens United | Debate Club | US News Opinion

* Petition: Show your support for the Saving American Democracy Amendment
Petition - A Petition to Support the Saving American Democracy Amendment : Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

* What do you think? Was the court right or wrong. Take the poll
Polls: Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

Bernie is an idiot. so are you.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Let's have public financing of campaigns. Citizens cannot afford special interest money campaigns for it is the citizens that get left out. Let citizens vote on this issue and practice democracy!

For Hire: Lobbyists or the 99%

These 30 corporations spent more money lobbying in Washington, D.C. from 2008 to 2010 than they did on taxes during the same time. They are paying lavish bonuses to their CEOs, the executives are filling the campaign coffers of candidates, and they're getting tax rebates. What about the 99%?

Check out the report:

Home | Public Campaign

Bribery of elected officials and bribed officials = the most stinky of all bribery!

Do you have enough brains to understand that the entire reason Citizens United got to the Supreme Court was that citizens banded together and wanted to say something about a candidate?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Eliminating political donations from individual corporations will make no difference at all. Corporations have always been able to influence politics ever since the first corporation existed. PACs didn't come on the scene two years ago, they have been around forever. If you were to reverse the decision that allowed XYZ Pharmaceutical Corporation to give money to political campaigns then they would simply go back to giving that money to the Pharma PAC. Unless you plan on making corporate PACs illegal as well, and that would certainly get no where as a bill. The problem in politics is certainly money, but it isn't the money from corporations only. In fact the more destructive money in politics comes from unions.

Corporations are not our enemy. They provide jobs, services, and products that we use. It's profoundly ignorant to concentrate on them and ignore the much larger and more damaging influence of other moneys flowing into the pockets of politicians. If you wanted to take all money out of the picture, I'm on board with you, but singling out one group is absurd and I'll not support it.

Super PACs are a new phenomena that are directly related to the ruling. They are the visible damage to our democracy and it is quite telling that most of them seem to be pro republican.

What damage have they caused? Give me one specific example, just one, and I will admit you are right.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Super PACs are a new phenomena that are directly related to the ruling. They are the visible damage to our democracy and it is quite telling that most of them seem to be pro republican.

1. undoing the ruling will not stop money from corporations getting to politicians.
2. They have caused NO damage to our democracy, I challenge you to prove otherwise.
3. They have giiven more money to obama than anyone else.

Check this list of super PACs, look at who is spending what on whom. Kind of one sided isn't it? This is deep pockets buying influence for themselves, we as regular citizens could never compete with this obscenity.
2012 Outside Spending, by Groups | OpenSecrets
I for one do not welcome our corporate overlords.

It certainly is.

$17,300,000 against Republicans
$761,900 against Democrats

 

[Quantum Windbag]

We’re on the verge of a sad anniversary. Two years ago Saturday, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 5-4 in Citizens United v. FEC that corporations have the same First Amendment rights as people. Bernie thinks the ruling was absurd. He has called it a threat to American democracy.

His answer is to make it crystal clear in the Constitution that corporations are not people, through his Saving American Democracy Amendment.

While corporations already are funneling untold millions in secret cash into Super PACS to sway this year’s elections, real people all across America are speaking out today against this horrendous ruling. They are gathering everywhere from the marble plaza outside the Supreme Court to city halls and statehouses throughout the country.


* Read Bernie’s column in The Guardian
We must stop this corporate takeover of American democracy - Newsroom: Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

* Read Bernie’s column in U.S. News & World Report
Overturn Citizens United | Debate Club | US News Opinion

* Petition: Show your support for the Saving American Democracy Amendment
Petition - A Petition to Support the Saving American Democracy Amendment : Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

* What do you think? Was the court right or wrong. Take the poll
Polls: Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

As long as unions and organizations like the DNC and RNC are included I'm fine with stripping the person label from corporations.

CU v. FEC allows for ANONYMOUS & UNLIMITED money to influence voters. Unions clearly have an agenda and political ads by unions make it clear that the money comes from the union; this is true for the DNC and RNC.

I have no problem if the Koch Brothers place ads on TV and Radio as long as the ad identifies them with the same clarity in which their message is cast. The fact that CU v. FEC allows for anonymity ought to concern all of us, too bad posters like SP are so partisan they are blinded to the threat anonymous and unlimited 'donations' to our democratic institutions.

The issue is not about freedom of speech; anyone who believes that canard is a fool (as in you can fool some of the people all of the time). A shoutout to the T.

Do I really need to point out the obvious? Anyone that runs a political ad is required to tell the viewer who is paying for the ad. That means that if, for example, Winning the Future makes an ad, they have to tell you they made it. Anyone that wants to can then look up Winning the Future and see that is a pro Gingrich PAC, and you then know just as much about their bias as you do about the unions that run ads. I guess that mames you wrong.

By the way, if you are upset because PACS do not have to disclose the names of specific donors, neither do unions, or Mother Jones, that makes it even.

Anyone who thinks this is not about freedom of speech is a fascist, why do you think the only socialist in Congress is making such a big deal about it?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I would assume you place Unions in your remarks? After all? Aren't Unions Corporations unto themselves?

no

Corporation: A group of people working toward a common goal.

Union: A group of people working toward a common goal.

Yeah. Completely different.

It really is, just don't ask me why.

 

[merrill]

Let's have public financing of campaigns. Citizens cannot afford special interest money campaigns for it is the citizens that get left out. Let citizens vote on this issue and practice democracy!

For Hire: Lobbyists or the 99%

These 30 corporations spent more money lobbying in Washington, D.C. from 2008 to 2010 than they did on taxes during the same time. They are paying lavish bonuses to their CEOs, the executives are filling the campaign coffers of candidates, and they're getting tax rebates. What about the 99%?

Check out the report:

Home | Public Campaign

Bribery of elected officials and bribed officials = the most stinky of all bribery!

Do you have enough brains to understand that the entire reason Citizens United got to the Supreme Court was that citizens banded together and wanted to say something about a candidate?

What I do understand is that wealthy corrupt individuals got together with their corrupt
elected officials and pushed this through. The Supreme Court should have rejected this matter.

Koch money,Walton/Wal-Mart money/AMWAY family money/EXXON-Mobil Money and big bank money were helpful in the financing of this monster. No doubt the medical insurance industry was there to protect their $1.4 trillion annual tax dollar handout.
As soon as I receive a complete list of financial backers I'll be most delighted to share the info.

Not exactly everyday day citizens mostly the best connected citizens.

 

[MikeK]

We’re on the verge of a sad anniversary. Two years ago Saturday, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 5-4 in Citizens United v. FEC that corporations have the same First Amendment rights as people. Bernie thinks the ruling was absurd. He has called it a threat to American democracy.

His answer is to make it crystal clear in the Constitution that corporations are not people, through his Saving American Democracy Amendment.

While corporations already are funneling untold millions in secret cash into Super PACS to sway this year’s elections, real people all across America are speaking out today against this horrendous ruling. They are gathering everywhere from the marble plaza outside the Supreme Court to city halls and statehouses throughout the country.


* Read Bernie’s column in The Guardian
We must stop this corporate takeover of American democracy - Newsroom: Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

* Read Bernie’s column in U.S. News & World Report
Overturn Citizens United | Debate Club | US News Opinion

* Petition: Show your support for the Saving American Democracy Amendment
Petition - A Petition to Support the Saving American Democracy Amendment : Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

* What do you think? Was the court right or wrong. Take the poll
Polls: Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

Bernie is an idiot. so are you.

Bernie Sanders is probably the best Senator of the bunch and he would be the kind of President this Country needs. But the American People are too divided and too blinded by partisan bias to understand that.

American politics desperately needs a strong socialistic thrust to overcome the corporatist influence which has undermined the middle class and is is driving us toward fascism.

 

[Intense]

We’re on the verge of a sad anniversary. Two years ago Saturday, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 5-4 in Citizens United v. FEC that corporations have the same First Amendment rights as people. Bernie thinks the ruling was absurd. He has called it a threat to American democracy.

His answer is to make it crystal clear in the Constitution that corporations are not people, through his Saving American Democracy Amendment.

While corporations already are funneling untold millions in secret cash into Super PACS to sway this year’s elections, real people all across America are speaking out today against this horrendous ruling. They are gathering everywhere from the marble plaza outside the Supreme Court to city halls and statehouses throughout the country.


* Read Bernie’s column in The Guardian
We must stop this corporate takeover of American democracy - Newsroom: Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

* Read Bernie’s column in U.S. News & World Report
Overturn Citizens United | Debate Club | US News Opinion

* Petition: Show your support for the Saving American Democracy Amendment
Petition - A Petition to Support the Saving American Democracy Amendment : Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

* What do you think? Was the court right or wrong. Take the poll
Polls: Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

You obviously do not understand Free Speech or the 1st amendment. You have just as much a right to listen, ignore, or change the channel as anyone else. You want to censor, what you cannot control or refute. That is a sign of weakness. There is Power in Voice, You obviously are troubled by that when it is not yours.

 

[newpolitics]

We’re on the verge of a sad anniversary. Two years ago Saturday, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 5-4 in Citizens United v. FEC that corporations have the same First Amendment rights as people. Bernie thinks the ruling was absurd. He has called it a threat to American democracy.

His answer is to make it crystal clear in the Constitution that corporations are not people, through his Saving American Democracy Amendment.

While corporations already are funneling untold millions in secret cash into Super PACS to sway this year’s elections, real people all across America are speaking out today against this horrendous ruling. They are gathering everywhere from the marble plaza outside the Supreme Court to city halls and statehouses throughout the country.


* Read Bernie’s column in The Guardian
We must stop this corporate takeover of American democracy - Newsroom: Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

* Read Bernie’s column in U.S. News & World Report
Overturn Citizens United | Debate Club | US News Opinion

* Petition: Show your support for the Saving American Democracy Amendment
Petition - A Petition to Support the Saving American Democracy Amendment : Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

* What do you think? Was the court right or wrong. Take the poll
Polls: Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

You obviously do not understand Free Speech or the 1st amendment. You have just as much a right to listen, ignore, or change the channel as anyone else. You want to censor, what you cannot control or refute. That is a sign of weakness. There is Power in Voice, You obviously are troubled by that when it is not yours.

you are defending something that hurts your interests a citizen of this republic. such idiocy is difficult to comprehend.

 

[Missourian]

Everyone loves the first amendment...when it is protecting their speech.

But when it's someone else's speech...well...that must be curtailed.

Because it's dangerous...

When it's someone else...

 

[newpolitics]

Everyone loves the first amendment...when it is protecting their speech.

But when it's someone else's speech...well...that must be curtailed.

Because it's dangerous...

When it's someone else...

not someone else. something else. that something is money.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Corporations are not people brings Saving American Democracy Amendment.

As I noted in your other inane thread on the same topic, such an amendment would be as idiotic as a BBA, and one amendment can’t conflict with another, as CU was about the First Amendment, not ‘corporate personhood.’

Americans deserve the bad government they get if they can’t assume the responsibility to educate themselves on the candidates and issues.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Let's have public financing of campaigns. Citizens cannot afford special interest money campaigns for it is the citizens that get left out. Let citizens vote on this issue and practice democracy!

For Hire: Lobbyists or the 99%

These 30 corporations spent more money lobbying in Washington, D.C. from 2008 to 2010 than they did on taxes during the same time. They are paying lavish bonuses to their CEOs, the executives are filling the campaign coffers of candidates, and they're getting tax rebates. What about the 99%?

Check out the report:

Home | Public Campaign

Bribery of elected officials and bribed officials = the most stinky of all bribery!

Do you have enough brains to understand that the entire reason Citizens United got to the Supreme Court was that citizens banded together and wanted to say something about a candidate?

What I do understand is that wealthy corrupt individuals got together with their corrupt
elected officials and pushed this through. The Supreme Court should have rejected this matter.

Koch money,Walton/Wal-Mart money/AMWAY family money/EXXON-Mobil Money and big bank money were helpful in the financing of this monster. No doubt the medical insurance industry was there to protect their $1.4 trillion annual tax dollar handout.
As soon as I receive a complete list of financial backers I'll be most delighted to share the info.

Not exactly everyday day citizens mostly the best connected citizens.

Wealthy corrupt individuals (John McCain and Russ Feingold) got together with corrupt elected officials (everyone in Congress) and pushed through campaign finance reform that denied non politicians the right to talk about them. I don't understand why anyone but a politician thinks this is a good idea, and no one has ever presented a cogent argument in support of that position, but if you think you got something lay it out for me.

I am going to do you a favor and ignore your incoherent rant about money.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

We’re on the verge of a sad anniversary. Two years ago Saturday, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 5-4 in Citizens United v. FEC that corporations have the same First Amendment rights as people. Bernie thinks the ruling was absurd. He has called it a threat to American democracy.

His answer is to make it crystal clear in the Constitution that corporations are not people, through his Saving American Democracy Amendment.

While corporations already are funneling untold millions in secret cash into Super PACS to sway this year’s elections, real people all across America are speaking out today against this horrendous ruling. They are gathering everywhere from the marble plaza outside the Supreme Court to city halls and statehouses throughout the country.


* Read Bernie’s column in The Guardian
We must stop this corporate takeover of American democracy - Newsroom: Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

* Read Bernie’s column in U.S. News & World Report
Overturn Citizens United | Debate Club | US News Opinion

* Petition: Show your support for the Saving American Democracy Amendment
Petition - A Petition to Support the Saving American Democracy Amendment : Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

* What do you think? Was the court right or wrong. Take the poll
Polls: Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

Bernie is an idiot. so are you.

Bernie Sanders is probably the best Senator of the bunch and he would be the kind of President this Country needs. But the American People are too divided and too blinded by partisan bias to understand that.

American politics desperately needs a strong socialistic thrust to overcome the corporatist influence which has undermined the middle class and is is driving us toward fascism.

You are a fool.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

We’re on the verge of a sad anniversary. Two years ago Saturday, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 5-4 in Citizens United v. FEC that corporations have the same First Amendment rights as people. Bernie thinks the ruling was absurd. He has called it a threat to American democracy.

His answer is to make it crystal clear in the Constitution that corporations are not people, through his Saving American Democracy Amendment.

While corporations already are funneling untold millions in secret cash into Super PACS to sway this year’s elections, real people all across America are speaking out today against this horrendous ruling. They are gathering everywhere from the marble plaza outside the Supreme Court to city halls and statehouses throughout the country.


* Read Bernie’s column in The Guardian
We must stop this corporate takeover of American democracy - Newsroom: Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

* Read Bernie’s column in U.S. News & World Report
Overturn Citizens United | Debate Club | US News Opinion

* Petition: Show your support for the Saving American Democracy Amendment
Petition - A Petition to Support the Saving American Democracy Amendment : Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

* What do you think? Was the court right or wrong. Take the poll
Polls: Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

You obviously do not understand Free Speech or the 1st amendment. You have just as much a right to listen, ignore, or change the channel as anyone else. You want to censor, what you cannot control or refute. That is a sign of weakness. There is Power in Voice, You obviously are troubled by that when it is not yours.

you are defending something that hurts your interests a citizen of this republic. such idiocy is difficult to comprehend.

How does it hurt his, or my, freedom? How has it hurt yours?

 

[daveman]

no

Corporation: A group of people working toward a common goal.

Union: A group of people working toward a common goal.

Yeah. Completely different.

It really is, just don't ask me why.

That's the common answer.

 

[daveman]

We’re on the verge of a sad anniversary. Two years ago Saturday, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 5-4 in Citizens United v. FEC that corporations have the same First Amendment rights as people. Bernie thinks the ruling was absurd. He has called it a threat to American democracy.

His answer is to make it crystal clear in the Constitution that corporations are not people, through his Saving American Democracy Amendment.

While corporations already are funneling untold millions in secret cash into Super PACS to sway this year’s elections, real people all across America are speaking out today against this horrendous ruling. They are gathering everywhere from the marble plaza outside the Supreme Court to city halls and statehouses throughout the country.


* Read Bernie’s column in The Guardian
We must stop this corporate takeover of American democracy - Newsroom: Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

* Read Bernie’s column in U.S. News & World Report
Overturn Citizens United | Debate Club | US News Opinion

* Petition: Show your support for the Saving American Democracy Amendment
Petition - A Petition to Support the Saving American Democracy Amendment : Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

* What do you think? Was the court right or wrong. Take the poll
Polls: Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

You obviously do not understand Free Speech or the 1st amendment. You have just as much a right to listen, ignore, or change the channel as anyone else. You want to censor, what you cannot control or refute. That is a sign of weakness. There is Power in Voice, You obviously are troubled by that when it is not yours.

you are defending something that hurts your interests a citizen of this republic. such idiocy is difficult to comprehend.

You are not qualified to determine for other people what their interests are.