Andylusion
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Private care didn't do jack shit to quell the recent Ebola outbreak, only nation states had the resources and the interest to do anything. We only had to do that because the region had a healthcare shortage as does much of the developing world who would not have any modern healthcare if it was not subsidized by the west or socialized locally.What about any health system public or private? You get out what you put in. There is a world-wide shortage of healthcare that the private sector has no interest in fixing, if you want to turn this discussion into public vs. private care then I take it you want to just throw the veterans to the private sector who lowball managed care worse than the VA.Sky was the limit on war spending, the bean counters were delegated to the back of the room. Veterans need specialized care that is just not readily available in the private sector and in this case we should feel just as compelled to whip out the checkbook and spend what it takes or just not start wars in the first place.Yeah... but... if that is the only problem, then why do we see waiting lists in the UK...
NHS waiting list passes 3m for first time in six years Society The Guardian
And in Canada....
Wait lists A study in shared madness BC Medical Journal
And in Sweden...
Swedes buy insurance to skip long health queues - The Local
I've read the same in Norway, and Australia, and several other countries.
Do you really think it the 'bean counters' at the VA, must have infested every socialized system across the world?
See, here's the real problem. In a free-market Capitalist system, when more people go to the hospital, the hospital has more money. The hospital uses that money, to hire more doctors and staff, to provide service to more people. Thus the capitalist pay-for-service system naturally regulates itself to provide more service to more people.
In a socialized care system, there is no positive feedback loop. Thus someone in government, makes a bill that says 'hospital x gets z amount of money'. And they have to make do with whatever amount of money they have.
So if twice as many people show up for care, as there is money, then the care must be rationed. It's not that there are these demonic 'bean counters' just arbitrarily finding ways to make vets suffer. There simply isn't unlimited funds to provide unlimited care. Someone has to make the decision that this will get funded, and this won't, because their simply isn't unlimited funds for everything you want.
This is why every single completely socialized system, inherently ends up with rationed care.
Again, then why do they have these problems in Europe with wait lists? And Canada? And on and on and on?
If that's the problem..... then explain all those other countries?
Give me an example of this world-wide shortage of health care that the private sector has no interest in fixing?
I have no idea what you are talking about. Private care routinely provides excellent service.
Really... Interesting claim.
So which of the half dozen countries that had an ebola outbreak, would you claim had a private, non-government funded health care system, and didn't do anything to help?