Conservatives and Empathy

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    Think UHC. Extrapolate UHC.

    "[T]rying to measure a life of poverty as a collection of stuff isn't really going to come close to measuring that same life as a whole life."

    Category: But we knew this already, why does it now matter?

    Note my new category of thought, I have always wondered what goes into making a person of conscience and what goes into making a conservative? So the piece below struck me again as well, 'I already knew that.' But a Fox conservative talking head learning something still is worth a thought, if only to say why did she not know that before she knew that. How is it we know anything.

    'Falling into the empathy gap'

    "Fox, of course, would be the very same news network that endorsed a comparison between birth control and "pedicures," so this is no small change of heart on Kelly's part. The Family and Medical Leave Act, under which she received her post-birth benefits, was introduced by a Democratic representative, approved almost entirely by Democratic legislators (with Republicans voting almost entirely against it*), and signed into law by a Democratic president - and Kelly, believe it or not, doesn't think the bill is liberal enough. As tempting as it is, though, just to deride her for lacking the sort of minimal empathy that we expect from children, I want to add a little bit of a wrinkle to Savage's analysis."

    Rust Belt Philosophy: Falling into the empathy gap
     
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    Empathy is the ability to imagine the plight of another.

    You'll no doubt note that most of the self proclaiming cons on this board display a complete lack of empthy.


    Now whether these folks are just trying to sound like tough guys, or they're truly incapable of getting outside of their own shoes, is anyone's guess.

    But one does frequently encounter people who are permanently stuck in their own heads who truly cannot remotely imagine another's POV, and almost without exception those types tend to be dogmatic cons.
     
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    Empathy comes from the heart, not from an edict from on high.

    Then again, the left has shown themselves to be in possession of the tiniest hearts out there -as evidenced by the widely circulated annual lists of political types who give the most and least to private charities- so it's little surprise that they'd project their callousness onto everyone else.
     
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    Yeah, leftists are really caring and empathetic...As long as they don't have to foot the bill for their "generosity" themselves.
     
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    Is it more empathetic to believe all people have the same abilities and can rise above circumstance ? Or to support policy that hinders such?
     
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    You guys keep posting this crap like a badge of courage or something. Speaking as someone who's actually given to charity..and worked for charity..making sure all our citizens share in the wealth of the nation should be a given.

    There is absolutely no reason, none, nadda..that any American citizen should starve, be denied health care or live in squalor.
     
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    Empathy has no bearing on the ability or will of a society to assist those at the lower end of it. Empathy can, in fact, be used as an excuse to patronize those at the lower end, giving them just enough to keep them alive and reasonably comfortable without a chance to elevate thier status, in return for poltical support.

    The object of any support given to the lower strata of society should have the sole goal of making those people self supporting, not keeping them on the dole. This however is the exact opposite effect progressive authoritarians want, after all a self reliant voter is an unreliable voter. A voter still on the dole will keep supporting the dole controllers.
     
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    All people do not have the same abilities, come from the same point in life or have the same means.

    That's total nonsense.
     
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    Then create a charirty to accomplish this, get private financial support, and do what you see as needed. Or at least do it at the state level, and create state laws appropriate to it.

    Just stop using the federal government as your big bully boy to force others to pay for your social works. Stop being lazy, stop using the governments bully power of taxation.
     
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    No badge of courage...Just the facts.

    RealClearPolitics - Articles - Conservatives More Liberal Givers

    Platitudes don't count as charity either, dude.
     

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