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That's the spirit!! Let's add poor and homeless people to that too!
Now children are different.
They get all the health care they need cuz they with their easy to manipulate heads full of mush are our future.
Nah, I think kids should fend for themselves! We don't care about their education so why should we care about their health care??! It's all money we don't need to spend.
Now children are different.
They get all the health care they need cuz they with their easy to manipulate heads full of mush are our future.
Nah, I think kids should fend for themselves! We don't care about their education so why should we care about their health care??! It's all money we don't need to spend.
Right because, if I give you a hundred bucks you'll magically be smarter than you were before I gave you the hundred bucks.
You liberals are as inept as it gets. You know one solution to everything and one solution only. Throw money at it. As if that's all it takes to make children smarter or people healthier.
Nah, I think kids should fend for themselves! We don't care about their education so why should we care about their health care??! It's all money we don't need to spend.
Right because, if I give you a hundred bucks you'll magically be smarter than you were before I gave you the hundred bucks.
You liberals are as inept as it gets. You know one solution to everything and one solution only. Throw money at it. As if that's all it takes to make children smarter or people healthier.
Couldn't agree more! The only way to fix everything is to disband the government and have them stop taxing us for useless services that obviously do nothing for society. It's fun to go to extremes!
Right because, if I give you a hundred bucks you'll magically be smarter than you were before I gave you the hundred bucks.
You liberals are as inept as it gets. You know one solution to everything and one solution only. Throw money at it. As if that's all it takes to make children smarter or people healthier.
Couldn't agree more! The only way to fix everything is to disband the government and have them stop taxing us for useless services that obviously do nothing for society. It's fun to go to extremes!
Looks stupid when you see someone else doing what you do doesn't it? You started it, dude. Either you believe what you say about the right despite the lack of evidence for it, or you're knowingly exagerrating which is pretty pointless. Pick one.
Couldn't agree more! The only way to fix everything is to disband the government and have them stop taxing us for useless services that obviously do nothing for society. It's fun to go to extremes!
Looks stupid when you see someone else doing what you do doesn't it? You started it, dude. Either you believe what you say about the right despite the lack of evidence for it, or you're knowingly exagerrating which is pretty pointless. Pick one.
Damn right it looks stupid. But it happens on this site every day in every thread. Trying to be rational is so 20th century. This is the age of extreme ideas and ignorant opinions. This way is a lot easier and much more entertaining.
Looks stupid when you see someone else doing what you do doesn't it? You started it, dude. Either you believe what you say about the right despite the lack of evidence for it, or you're knowingly exagerrating which is pretty pointless. Pick one.
Damn right it looks stupid. But it happens on this site every day in every thread. Trying to be rational is so 20th century. This is the age of extreme ideas and ignorant opinions. This way is a lot easier and much more entertaining.
I consider it the age of gross lack of introspective objectivity. Where no one has the audacity to challenge whether or not it's their opinion that happens to be the ignorant one. For example one would have to be rather ignorant to believe a single payer system will somehow warp space and time to a place where the rules of basic economics no longer apply and perfect harmony will be brought to the health care industry.
Damn right it looks stupid. But it happens on this site every day in every thread. Trying to be rational is so 20th century. This is the age of extreme ideas and ignorant opinions. This way is a lot easier and much more entertaining.
I consider it the age of gross lack of introspective objectivity. Where no one has the audacity to challenge whether or not it's their opinion that happens to be the ignorant one. For example one would have to be rather ignorant to believe a single payer system will somehow warp space and time to a place where the rules of basic economics no longer apply and perfect harmony will be brought to the health care industry.
Sometimes economics aren't the most important consideration.
I consider it the age of gross lack of introspective objectivity. Where no one has the audacity to challenge whether or not it's their opinion that happens to be the ignorant one. For example one would have to be rather ignorant to believe a single payer system will somehow warp space and time to a place where the rules of basic economics no longer apply and perfect harmony will be brought to the health care industry.
Sometimes economics aren't the most important consideration.
I assume you are referring to the consideration of being compassionate. You can call it cliche all day if you want. The road to tyranny and loss of freedom is well paved with compassionate intentions and many things that sound compassionate on their face like "oh we just gotta make sure everyone has cheap health care, and just doing is so much more important than HOW we do it we shouldn't even talk about it cause it's so mean." But upon closer examination they end up being quite detrimental and costly to society at large.
Single payer sounds nice if your singular myopic goal is to make things cheap, but it will increase the cost of services, it will not improve and probably will hurt of the supply of resources and doctors, and will cost society financially more in the long run, it will be yet another discouragement for people to take responsibility for themselves which also weakens society in the long run.
Sounds like a plan.Nah, I think kids should fend for themselves! We don't care about their education so why should we care about their health care??! It's all money we don't need to spend.
Right because, if I give you a hundred bucks you'll magically be smarter than you were before I gave you the hundred bucks.
You liberals are as inept as it gets. You know one solution to everything and one solution only. Throw money at it. As if that's all it takes to make children smarter or people healthier.
Couldn't agree more! The only way to fix everything is to disband the government and have them stop taxing us for useless services that obviously do nothing for society. It's fun to go to extremes!
We should just set up two classes of hospitals
One for the rich, the other for everyone else
Sometimes economics aren't the most important consideration.
I assume you are referring to the consideration of being compassionate. You can call it cliche all day if you want. The road to tyranny and loss of freedom is well paved with compassionate intentions and many things that sound compassionate on their face like "oh we just gotta make sure everyone has cheap health care, and just doing is so much more important than HOW we do it we shouldn't even talk about it cause it's so mean." But upon closer examination they end up being quite detrimental and costly to society at large.
Single payer sounds nice if your singular myopic goal is to make things cheap, but it will increase the cost of services, it will not improve and probably will hurt of the supply of resources and doctors, and will cost society financially more in the long run, it will be yet another discouragement for people to take responsibility for themselves which also weakens society in the long run.
How about this. You believe what you want, and I'll stick to what I believe. Have a great day!
I assume you are referring to the consideration of being compassionate. You can call it cliche all day if you want. The road to tyranny and loss of freedom is well paved with compassionate intentions and many things that sound compassionate on their face like "oh we just gotta make sure everyone has cheap health care, and just doing is so much more important than HOW we do it we shouldn't even talk about it cause it's so mean." But upon closer examination they end up being quite detrimental and costly to society at large.
Single payer sounds nice if your singular myopic goal is to make things cheap, but it will increase the cost of services, it will not improve and probably will hurt of the supply of resources and doctors, and will cost society financially more in the long run, it will be yet another discouragement for people to take responsibility for themselves which also weakens society in the long run.
How about this. You believe what you want, and I'll stick to what I believe. Have a great day!
Had enough have ya? Sure you're more than welcome to remain blissfully ignorant of basic economics.
I consider it the age of gross lack of introspective objectivity. Where no one has the audacity to challenge whether or not it's their opinion that happens to be the ignorant one. For example one would have to be rather ignorant to believe a single payer system will somehow warp space and time to a place where the rules of basic economics no longer apply and perfect harmony will be brought to the health care industry.
Sometimes economics aren't the most important consideration.
I assume you are referring to the consideration of being compassionate. You can call it cliche all day if you want. The road to tyranny and loss of freedom is well paved with compassionate intentions and many things that sound compassionate on their face like "oh we just gotta make sure everyone has cheap health care, and just doing is so much more important than HOW we do it we shouldn't even talk about it cause it's so mean." But upon closer examination they end up being quite detrimental and costly to society at large.
Single payer sounds nice if your singular myopic goal is to make things cheap, but it will increase the cost of services, it will not improve and probably will hurt of the supply of resources and doctors, and will cost society financially more in the long run, it will be yet another discouragement for people to take responsibility for themselves which also weakens society in the long run.
Congress.org - Letter to Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Maryland): $228,000 per job saved or created.
Obama stimulus slush fund cost taxpayers $821B versus the estimated $787B. Based on the jobs created or saved, it equates to $228,000 per.
How about this. You believe what you want, and I'll stick to what I believe. Have a great day!
Had enough have ya? Sure you're more than welcome to remain blissfully ignorant of basic economics.
Enough of talking to you? Yes, we've been through this in how many threads now? You're not getting what I am saying and you think I'm not getting what you're saying, so what's the point?
Single payer is a far better system than the Obamacare, socialized medicine, or private insurance. There would be no need for the mandatory insurance requirements. Health insurance company profits and overhead, about 25% are eliminated. Businesses would no longer have the cost of providing health insurance for employees.
I believe a single payer system in the US is very unlikely. Just as in the pass, the insurance companies will control enough congressman to insurance it's defeat.
Single payer is a far better system than the Obamacare, socialized medicine, or private insurance. There would be no need for the mandatory insurance requirements. Health insurance company profits and overhead, about 25% are eliminated. Businesses would no longer have the cost of providing health insurance for employees.
Really the only benefit of single payer is simplifying things. The reality is it's people saying I would rather not have to take responsibility financially for my health care. I would rather just pay a tax and have government deal with it. THAT is why our nation is getting weaker and weaker. Because more and more people simply would rather not take responsibility for themselves.
There will be very little practical savings taking some supposed bite out of insurance company profits because the FACT is insurance companies aren't that profitable in the first place. Most have single digit profit margins.
What won't change is the demand on resources and single payer does not address that. Those resources are going to cost just as much after single payer is instituted as they did before. So how exactly are the providers going to collect the same amount of money as before if the cost to people and employers is supposed to go down. Government will either have to subsidize it to make up the difference and add to the debt as a result or it will have to raise taxes on everyone to cover the costs. This will also allow providers to actually raise the price of what they charge for services. That is what happens when you subsidize something. When you set a price for a service one factor in doing so is knowing what people will pay and obviously I can charge more to whom money is less of a factor, in this case government.
I believe a single payer system in the US is very unlikely. Just as in the pass, the insurance companies will control enough congressman to insurance it's defeat.
I am not a fan of the insurance system, but don't fool yourself into thinking single payer is a better one. The country can not afford yet another entitlement program.
So how exactly are the providers going to collect the same amount of money as before if the cost to people and employers is supposed to go down.
Government will either have to subsidize it to make up the difference and add to the debt as a result or it will have to raise taxes on everyone to cover the costs. This will also allow providers to actually raise the price of what they charge for services.
That is what happens when you subsidize something. When you set a price for a service one factor in doing so is knowing what people will pay and obviously I can charge more to whom money is less of a factor, in this case government.
