Conflict: Sharia and the Constitution

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    1. "The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) has just put out an Action Alert that takes direct aim at the Constitution of the United States.

    2. At issue is the Michigan state legislature’s House Bill No. 4769, which looks likely to pass in coming days. Quite simply, that bill states that no foreign law may take precedence over American law or Michigan state law in a Michigan court room.

    a. The key provision of the bill is Section 2, which says:

    “A court, arbitrator, administrative agency, or other adjudicative, mediation, or enforcement authority shall not enforce a foreign law if doing so would violate a right guaranteed by the constitution of this state or of the United States.”




    3. So why would CAIR call on its members to oppose legislation that protects all American citizens, upholds the U.S. Constitution and in no way interferes with the right of any individual to freely exercise his or her religion as guaranteed by the First Amendment?

    4. CAIR (a Muslim Brotherhood front group) points to the answer in its own words. Its Action Alert decries “discrimination on followers of a minority faith” and terms the legislation “anti-Islam,” even though there is no mention of Islam or any other faith in the bill.....in what way is such legislation “anti-Islam”?

    5. It would seem that CAIR is saying that Islam is not just a religion, but ...Islam is also a “complete way of life,” encompassing a legal, military, political, and social system. The name of that “complete way of life” is sharia (Islamic law), which governs every aspect of a Muslim’s life and actually forbids a separation between faith and governance.

    6. ...sharia-adherent Muslims cannot accept that sharia provisions that conflict with U.S. law be superseded by Constitutional law in American courts is precisely the notion that Islamic law must dominate all other laws on earth in every respect.

    7. ...elements of sharia that are utterly antithetical to the U.S. Constitution and Declaration of Independence.

    8. ...mandates legal inequality between Muslims and non-Muslims, and between men and women. Sharia also imposes barbaric, mutilating punishments for theft, flogging for “fornication” and the death penalty for adultery, apostasy, homosexuality and, in some cases, slander/blasphemy.




    9. ...a careful reading of Michigan’s House Bill No. 4769 will confirm, this legislation actually provides assurance that American Muslim families are afforded the same constitutional protections and liberties as other Americans.

    10. Muslim Americans, many of whom came to the U.S. to escape the oppressive rule of sharia in their home nations, are no less deserving of the protections of American law than other Americans born into the privilege of living in a free country where faith and state are kept separated by law."
    CAIR-Michigan Goes After the U.S. Constitution | #1 News Site on the Threat of Radical Islam




    Although Christianity in its many varieties was the religion of the original colonies, Christianity does not preach operational dominance over the body politic in America. Tocqueville compared this aspect to Islam: “Mohammed professed to derive from Heaven, and has inserted in the Koran, not only religious doctrines, but political maxims, civil and criminal laws, and theories of science. The Gospel, on the contrary, speaks only of the general relations of men to God and to each other, beyond which it inculcates and imposes no point of faith. This alone, besides a thousand other reasons, would suffice to prove that the former of these religions will never long predominate in a cultivated and democratic age, while the latter is destined to retain its sway at these as at all other periods.” Tocqueville, “Democracy in America,” vol.2, p. 23.



    "Oppose the Discriminatory Michigan House Bill 4769:
    ADC Michigan joins the voices of State Representatives John Olumba (D-Detroit), Harvey Santana (D-Detroit), Rashida Tlaib (D-Detroit) and other State Representatives, ACLU-MI, and CAIR-MI in condemning the recent bill, HB 4769,..."
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    fuck um. I am so sick of them muslims whining.

    if they want sheira law... move back to where its is practiced. If they are in this country...abide by THIS country's laws.
     
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    um... sweetheart, where do you see sharia law being applied in this country?

    and before you answer, i'll point out that there are jewish religious courts which arbitrate civil matters between jews who consent to that type of rabbinical counsel (they also grant religious divorces);

    and the cathoilc church grants anullments and divorces in religious marriages.
     
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    Thats true but the Jewish courts dont want to take over the US, the folks who want Shariah law want ALL of us to be accountable under it, not just Muslims.
     
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    Your cutting and pasting skills remain unmatched, and you repeat catch phrases from other sites with great aplomb.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Chr...a:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs

    There is zero danger of Sharia criminal law ever supplanting current criminal code and jurisprudence in the US.

    Bills like these are like your masturbatory, self-indulgent posts: unnecessary posturing about ghosts that only live in your head.

    I'd ask you to be less stupid, but that would be impolite.
     
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    they dont..and that is the point.


    do said jewish courts... abide our laws? you bet they do.
     
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    Care to comment on the OP? CAIR is opposed to a law that does nothing but stipulate that the Constitution takes precedence and can not be over ruled by foreign law. Care to comment on THAT?
     
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    It's irrelevant posturing about a non-existent threat.

    Sharia criminal does not and cannot exist in this country.
     
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    Except it is not. Courts HAVE made rulings based on foreign law that is not US Law. YOU are making it about Sharia, the law in question does no such thing. It speaks to activist courts that make rulings using non US law which conflicts with US law and the Constitution.

    Care to explain WHY CAIR is opposed to a law that ensures US law and the Constitution are upheld? I mean if they understand Sharia can never be the law here why are they complaining about a law that ensures the Constitution be followed?
     
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    No, PoliticalChick made it about Sharia. Perhaps you should actually read the OP.
    Go ask them. This is empty, grandstanding nonsense that's an utter waste of time of any state legislative body.
     

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