Climate Change: It's the Sun, Stupid

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    Read all here: American Thinker Blog: Climate Change: It's the Sun, Stupid

    Now, this is something Rush Limbaugh has been saying for 20 years. As a matter of fact in this book "The Way Things Ought to Be" I remember reading his view (backed up by evidence) it was the sun that controlled our environment.

    It's becoming more and more obvious global warming/climate change was political in the first place and had nothing to do with the actual environment.

    With the UN admission global warming was about wealth distribution, that becomes more and more obvious.

    The minute the Soviet Union fell, it's accolytes went from championing communism to global warming.

    This is another example of how liberalism changes according to it's new lie while conservatism follows the same path: THE TRUTH.

    Conservatives have been saying for more than 20 years global warming was a hoax. I, most certainly have.

    Now, that it's all crumbling before them, the "faithful" can no longer shut up their critics with the laughable "denier" label.

    What will be the new lie that replaces global warming. The new lie that in 20-50 years will be the next "NEVERMIND" and then move on to the next big lie?

    Shall we all take bets?

    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
     
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    One can only hope that you're wrong.

    If this apparent global warming is entirely the doing of changes in the solar activity, then truly this modern society we have is hosed.
     
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    I wouldn't worry about her not being wrong... that seems to be a given.
     
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    That makes abolutely no sense. Would you try supporting that with evidence.
     
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    Yeah, I mean only a scientist is backing me up.

    I thought that was what was behind global warming.

    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
     
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    Dingbat, the sun is the source of the energy on the surface of our planet. However, there is no change in the sun that is responsible for the present warming. On the contrary, we have seen a level Total Solar Irradiance remain pretty much level when one takes into account the sunspot cycles. There may even have been a slight insignificant decrease in the TSI since 1978.

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    Now your quoting of Dr. Hansen out of context is just an example of typical Conservative dishonesty. The energy we recieve from the sun is not all absorbed. A very significant fraction is reflected and reradiated in long wave infrared. GHGS absorb energy from the reflected and reradiated energy. In fact, were it not for GHGs in the atmosphere, the most significant being CO2, the oceans would be frozen down to the equator. If you increase the amount of GHGs in the atmosphere, you increase that amount of heat the atmosphere retains. We have increased the CO2 by 40%, and the CH4 by over 150%.

    Now the TSI has not increased, but the amount of GHGs has. Pretty damned obvious to anybody but those with a political disconnect with reality what the problem is.
     
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    I t is just as ridiculous to consider the sun as the only important factor in climate change as it is to blame CO2 for everything. There are hundreds of factors interacting with each other in ways that we do not fully understand. When some of these factors are singled out, they appear to be overwhelmingly important depending on how are stated. Long term ocean current changes can be shown to account for most of the changes but how can you measure the cause-correlation with other factors? Do clouds cause temperature change or does temperature change cause clouds? We just dont know.

    After spending 25 years and billions of dollars on CO2 research we are not as far along in understanding the climate as we should be. Its time to spread the money and research around to other factors as well. Perhaps taking the blinders off will lead to fuller understanding. As it stands now anyone who even hints that CO2 is not the whole answer is labelled a skeptic and has their funding slashed.
     
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    Ian, where the hell have we spent billions on CO2 research. You people keep making that statement and never backing it up at all.
     
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