Climate change and moral judgement

[Oddball]

Hey, it's your cult silly person. Science doesn't do morality. That is the perview of the religions of the world. Science isn't about "truth". That is the realm of religion, science is about testing and observing the natural world.

We KNOW that observations made today may very well be proven incorrect with the development of better instruments (as happens frequently) it is only within the cult of AGW that certainty exists. Yet another example of the now pseudo scientific nature of climatology.


And yes, it is past my bedtime but I'm watching NASA TV. Thanks for asking.

Sounds like your meds need adjusting again, either that or you're doing shots of lighter fluid again.

Sounds more like he pegged your ass cold and you have nothing of any value to add to the topic.

Now, get back to hucking vestal virgins into Mount Bromo.

 

[Trakar]

Sounds more like he pegged your ass cold and you have nothing of any value to add to the topic.

Now, get back to hucking vestal virgins into Mount Bromo.

It makes sense that ass-pegging would be your first visual of interest (the "cold" part is a bit creepy though,...have you mentioned this particular fantasy penchant to your therapist yet?).

 

[Oddball]

Dude...We're just laughing at you now....Give it up...

 

[Trakar]

Dude...We're just laughing at you now....Give it up...

I seriously doubt that you find this anywhere near as funny as I do.

 

[westwall]

Dude...We're just laughing at you now....Give it up...

I seriously doubt that you find this anywhere near as funny as I do.

Yes, when you have nothing and the rest of the world has figured out you are mentally deficient, all you have left is the mindless laughter of the deranged....in your own tiny little cell.

 

[Trakar]

Dude...We're just laughing at you now....Give it up...

I seriously doubt that you find this anywhere near as funny as I do.

Yes, when you have nothing and the rest of the world has figured out you are mentally deficient, all you have left is the mindless laughter of the deranged....in your own tiny little cell.

Ah, still stuck in projection mode, I quess that is to be expected. It is more than a little disturbing that you equate your mother's basement with a cell, however.

 

[westwall]

I seriously doubt that you find this anywhere near as funny as I do.

Yes, when you have nothing and the rest of the world has figured out you are mentally deficient, all you have left is the mindless laughter of the deranged....in your own tiny little cell.

Ah, still stuck in projection mode, I quess that is to be expected. It is more than a little disturbing that you equate your mother's basement with a cell, however.

Well, my moms been dead for a long time there fruity, so technically she would be in MY basement. But I will leave the basement reviews to you, as you are clearly THE expert on them.

 

[skookerasbil]

Climate change and moral judgement

Converging evidence from the behavioural and brain sciences suggests that the human moral judgement system is not well equipped to identify climate change — a complex, large-scale and unintentionally caused phenomenon — as an important moral imperative. As climate change fails to generate strong moral intuitions, it does not motivate an urgent need for action in the way that other moral imperatives do. We review six reasons why climate change poses significant challenges to our moral judgement system and describe six strategies that communicators might use to confront these challenges. Enhancing moral intuitions about climate change may motivate greater support for ameliorative actions and policies.

Six psychological challenges posed by climate change to the human moral judgement system.
[FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium]Abstractness and cognitive complexity [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book][FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book]The abstract nature of climate change makes it non-intuitive and cognitively effortful to grasp [/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium]The blamelessness of unintentional action [/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book][FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book]The human moral judgement system is finely tuned to react to intentional transgressions [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium]Guilty bias [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book][FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book]Anthropogenic climate change provokes self-defensive biases [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium]Uncertainty breeds wishful thinking [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book][FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book]The lack of definitive prognoses results in unreasonable optimism [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium]Moral tribalism [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book][FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book]The politicization of climate change fosters ideological polarization [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium]Long time horizons and faraway places [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book][FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book]Out-group victims fall by the wayside [/FONT][/FONT]​

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Six psychological strategies that communicators can use to bolster the recognition of climate change as a moral imperative.
[FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium]Use existing moral values[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book][FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book]Frame climate change using more broadly held values that appeal to untapped demographics[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium]Burdens versus benefits[/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book][FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book]Focus messaging on the costs, not benefits, that we may impose on future generations[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium]Emotional carrots[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Whitney Semibold,Whitney Semibold][FONT=Whitney Semibold,Whitney Semibold], [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium]not sticks[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book][FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book]Motivate action through appeals to hope, pride and gratitude rather than guilt, shame and anxiety[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium]Be wary of extrinsic motivators[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book][FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book]Pushing action on climate change as ‘good business’ may backfire[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium]Expand group identity[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book][FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book]Increase identification with and empathy for future generations and people living in other places[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium]Highlight positive social norms[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book][FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book]Leverage human susceptibility to social influence and approval[/FONT][/FONT]​

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...Fortunately, recent insights may point the way towards effective strategies to combat these challenges and increase recognition of action on climate change as a moral imperative; doing so may be particularly useful in motivating widespread public support for political action...

Worth a look through for those interested in more than simply discussing the issue casually on a political message board.

What a fucking dope..........this is the type of guy that would also advocatae for a person who is morbidly obese to seek psychological counseling to get to the root of their eating disorder...........like that will cause them to put the fork down.


This thread is the best illustration Ive ever seen displaying the inability of far left guys to be able to connect the dots. Their thinking mucks things up with lots and lots and lots of gobblygook.



We have not seen DICK done in terms of legislation in the past few years despite the overwhelming level of bomb throwing by the k00ks?

Why?

BECAUSE

NOBODY

WANTS

TO

SPEND

76

TRILLION

DOLLARS

ASSHOLES!!!!!!!

AND

NOBODY'S

GOING

BACK

TO

WODDEN

SHIPS

AND

CANDLELIGHT

ANYTIME

SOON!!!

And who's winning here? The k00ks sit back with all their science and call the deniers retards on their arrogant high horses, but in the real world, all their efforts havent added up to dick.



Lose

 

[skookerasbil]

An example why global warming alarmists are losing ground - Denver Weather | Examiner.com

Going green can cost too much green - USATODAY.com


Going green can cost too much green - ABC News

EDITORIAL: Too costly to go green - Washington Times



The (Too High) Price of Being Green - WSJ.com




This isnt rocket science assholes.............you dolts can post up about temperatures, glaciers and drought until the cows come home.


Costs matter in life


You lose..............................assholes

 

[skookerasbil]

I love this forum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[TakeAStepBack]

The moral imperatives of climate science. ROFLMAO!!!!

 

[flacaltenn]

Climate change and moral judgement

Converging evidence from the behavioural and brain sciences suggests that the human moral judgement system is not well equipped to identify climate change — a complex, large-scale and unintentionally caused phenomenon — as an important moral imperative. As climate change fails to generate strong moral intuitions, it does not motivate an urgent need for action in the way that other moral imperatives do. We review six reasons why climate change poses significant challenges to our moral judgement system and describe six strategies that communicators might use to confront these challenges. Enhancing moral intuitions about climate change may motivate greater support for ameliorative actions and policies.

Six psychological challenges posed by climate change to the human moral judgement system.
[FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium]Abstractness and cognitive complexity [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book][FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book]The abstract nature of climate change makes it non-intuitive and cognitively effortful to grasp [/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium]The blamelessness of unintentional action [/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book][FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book]The human moral judgement system is finely tuned to react to intentional transgressions [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium]Guilty bias [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book][FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book]Anthropogenic climate change provokes self-defensive biases [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium]Uncertainty breeds wishful thinking [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book][FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book]The lack of definitive prognoses results in unreasonable optimism [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium]Moral tribalism [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book][FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book]The politicization of climate change fosters ideological polarization [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium]Long time horizons and faraway places [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book][FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book]Out-group victims fall by the wayside [/FONT][/FONT]​

[/FONT][/FONT]

Six psychological strategies that communicators can use to bolster the recognition of climate change as a moral imperative.
[FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium]Use existing moral values[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book][FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book]Frame climate change using more broadly held values that appeal to untapped demographics[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium]Burdens versus benefits[/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book][FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book]Focus messaging on the costs, not benefits, that we may impose on future generations[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium]Emotional carrots[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Whitney Semibold,Whitney Semibold][FONT=Whitney Semibold,Whitney Semibold], [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium]not sticks[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book][FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book]Motivate action through appeals to hope, pride and gratitude rather than guilt, shame and anxiety[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium]Be wary of extrinsic motivators[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book][FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book]Pushing action on climate change as ‘good business’ may backfire[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium]Expand group identity[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book][FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book]Increase identification with and empathy for future generations and people living in other places[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium][FONT=Whitney Medium,Whitney Medium]Highlight positive social norms[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book][FONT=Whitney Book,Whitney Book]Leverage human susceptibility to social influence and approval[/FONT][/FONT]​

[/FONT]

...Fortunately, recent insights may point the way towards effective strategies to combat these challenges and increase recognition of action on climate change as a moral imperative; doing so may be particularly useful in motivating widespread public support for political action...

Worth a look through for those interested in more than simply discussing the issue casually on a political message board.

Thought I'd take another look at the OP because of its "weirdness" factor. There is certainly room for "Image Consultants", "Mental Coaches", "Inspirational Motivators".. Especially if you're getting the esteem beat right out of you..

If you think I'm a Skeptic on AGW -- ask me how I feel about the "science" of Psychology !!

In reading those recommendations again -- I was struck by how these tools are FAR SUPERIOR to the ones used so far by the AGW mob. I always say that when a political debator starts making claims like "He played on your fears" (picture that with Al Gore's neck veins sticking out and shouting) -- chances are excellent that they invented that tactic.

So what we've gotten is GIANT doses of fear, intimidation, abuse of power, demagoguery, and hype. Or as the OP says Guilt, Shame, Anxiety). When all along, as the OP says, "hope, pride and gratitude" would have been sufficient.

SOLVING the problem TOGETHER with a sense of EMPATHY for all it affects would be nice. If the bullying didn't start before we all agreed on what problem we're working on...

I'm also dissapointed in the entire state of the ecology movement. Too many well-intentioned fools have been recruited to an anti-market, anti-progress agenda that constantly turns on them. The OP refers to concepts that are "cognitively effortful" and beyond the grasp of too many participants (combatants) in the cause. This is ESPECIALLY true in energy policy and the debate over "Alternatives". Too many don't grasp the diff between a nuclear bomb and a nuclear power plant. Too many don't grasp the diff between pollutants and CO2. Too many don't see how burning garbage, trees, hemp and coal are all essentially similiar.
And we've CATERED to these useful idiots at a great cost of time, opportunity and mountains of money. We flirted with starving large portion of the world just so we can grow food to burn it. CERTAINLY -- using better "Psych Ops" on these "lesser minds" would enhance our causes as well...

Might be funny --- but it's not..

 

[whitehall]

If you are looking for some sort of psychological answer to the alleged acceptance of the pseudo-science of man made global warming look no further than the History channel or Nat-Geo or a half a dozen cable "learning channels". If you lean towards the occult you can get credible evidence from a couple of programs that "para-normal" activity exists. It's easy to be a believer if you accept the data. Likewise UFO sightings and "evidence" that ancient people were influenced from visitors from outer space. You can find archaeologists who dig up "evidence" of the mythical kingdom of Atlantis twice a day on cable TV. The dirty little secret is that the left's political motivation has managed to combine the agenda of the radical environmentalists with the enthusiasm of the socialist hate-America crowd to come up with "evidence" and convincing dialog designed to bring down the United States in a global extortion scheme. You know in your heart that there are no ghosts or UFO's but if you are weak enough you can be convinced that there are. The government sponsored grants for "global warming" studies will keep researchers driving Lexus cars as long as the money keeps flowing and the researchers ain't likely to kill the golden goose.

 

[skookerasbil]

The moral imperatives of climate science. ROFLMAO!!!!

indeed..........what would we do without the k00ks coming up with absurd shit like this?


Makes this place nothing less than a hoot............the k00k left try to make an intellectual debate about science when the shit is so basic, my 7th grader gets it. And funny how I was able with one story to cement in his mind the nuttiness of the left.............

A few years back..........as I told my son...........a family was wiped out on I95 in the New England corrider. Their van was rear ended by a semi when they broke down on the shoulder.........they all died instantly. And what followed from the k00k left? Lobbying for the corrider to be expanded to four lanes at a cost of tens of millions of dollars, of course, on the taxpayers back. My sons response..........and I laugh to this day............"Dad........why dont they expand it to 8 lanes then nobody will ever die!!!"


These fucking assholes are so in spaceland its beyond real..........even my 12 year old son gets the faulty thinking. Even at 12, he can already think on the margin. k00ks like Trakar, who have lived for decades, still cant!!!


Again............and important to point out............this is not an intelligence thing with these people. Notice I never refer to the k00ks as retards or morons, which is an intelligence measure. Thier problem is a thought processing fuck up. There is a huge difference.

 

[Trakar]

If you are looking for some sort of psychological answer to the alleged acceptance of the pseudo-science of man made global warming look no further than the History channel or Nat-Geo or a half a dozen cable "learning channels". If you lean towards the occult you can get credible evidence from a couple of programs that "para-normal" activity exists. It's easy to be a believer if you accept the data. Likewise UFO sightings and "evidence" that ancient people were influenced from visitors from outer space. You can find archaeologists who dig up "evidence" of the mythical kingdom of Atlantis twice a day on cable TV. The dirty little secret is that the left's political motivation has managed to combine the agenda of the radical environmentalists with the enthusiasm of the socialist hate-America crowd to come up with "evidence" and convincing dialog designed to bring down the United States in a global extortion scheme. You know in your heart that there are no ghosts or UFO's but if you are weak enough you can be convinced that there are. The government sponsored grants for "global warming" studies will keep researchers driving Lexus cars as long as the money keeps flowing and the researchers ain't likely to kill the golden goose.

What time is your woo-show airing? Nothing like a good global conspiracy to make for good boob-tubing.

 

[flacaltenn]

If you are looking for some sort of psychological answer to the alleged acceptance of the pseudo-science of man made global warming look no further than the History channel or Nat-Geo or a half a dozen cable "learning channels". If you lean towards the occult you can get credible evidence from a couple of programs that "para-normal" activity exists. It's easy to be a believer if you accept the data. Likewise UFO sightings and "evidence" that ancient people were influenced from visitors from outer space. You can find archaeologists who dig up "evidence" of the mythical kingdom of Atlantis twice a day on cable TV. The dirty little secret is that the left's political motivation has managed to combine the agenda of the radical environmentalists with the enthusiasm of the socialist hate-America crowd to come up with "evidence" and convincing dialog designed to bring down the United States in a global extortion scheme. You know in your heart that there are no ghosts or UFO's but if you are weak enough you can be convinced that there are. The government sponsored grants for "global warming" studies will keep researchers driving Lexus cars as long as the money keeps flowing and the researchers ain't likely to kill the golden goose.

In fact --- the SOLUTION was conceived even before any "consensus" was gathered wasn't it?

With less to be gained by addressing pollution and the whales, there was desperation to find a meaty cause to motivate the agenda. And how better to do that than to insert yourselves SQUARE into driver's seat of energy policy. There's a problem with that however. If we really wanted to fix Global Warming today according the prescription -- we could do that with nuclear policy.

I'll believe the sensational AGW hype when the envirolobby is BEGGING to build out nuclear plants. AT LEAST they could concede that much to save the planet from this CO2 catastrophy.

Damn Animal Planet got me with that Mermaid Hoax.. Let my skeptic shields down for that one..

 

[ScienceRocks]

If these people really worried about co2 warming our planet they would support nuclear. There's certainly some risk to it, but if we're all going to die. Why not?

Life is about finding a balance. One that doesn't collapse civilization is a good idea.

Economical renewable and nuclear could work! Where's the moral judgement call over raising someones electric bill?

 

[flacaltenn]

If these people really worried about co2 warming our planet they would support nuclear. There's certainly some risk to it, but if we're all going to die. Why not?

Life is about finding a balance. One that doesn't collapse civilization is a good idea.

Economical renewable and nuclear could work! Where's the moral judgement call over raising someones electric bill?

It's not in the picture if your GOAL is to make energy RARE and EXPENSIVE.. Which is the very definition of what happens if you stress CONSERVATION and not supply..

 

[skookerasbil]

Fact: The environmental radicals need to spend less time berating people who dont agree with them and more time coming up with a strategy that is going to make some kind of dent in the public concsciousness because for the last 5 years, their efforts havent resulted in DICK.


Nobody but nobody gives a rats ass about Cap and Trade...........and these Nitz's are talking about morality and the environment!!!


Go..................go.....................go

 

[Trakar]

If these people really worried about co2 warming our planet they would support nuclear. There's certainly some risk to it, but if we're all going to die. Why not?

Life is about finding a balance. One that doesn't collapse civilization is a good idea.

Economical renewable and nuclear could work! Where's the moral judgement call over raising someones electric bill?

Most reasonable advocates already acknowledge and encourage an enhanced role for advanced design nuclear power; and at this stage, swapping gas for coal and oil is encreasingly the only viable short-term path toward minimal disruption transition.