Climate Change And Fire

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    Increasing pressure increases temperature strictly during adiabatic processes ... the two systems aren't even close to "same energy content" ... there's good evidence the surface of Venus was molten just 500 million years ago ... and those are clouds of sulfuric acid that encircle the entire planet all the time ... Siberian Traps level volcanism ... we need to take everything into consideration when we try to compare the two atmospheres ... the two energy budgets will be significantly different ...

    You don't need lab experiments for something you can do on your kitchen counter ... a jar of CO2 and a jar of air, shine a strong light on them, measure the equilibrium temperature ... post your results ... my argument is this temperature rise is there, but trivial, as I'm sure your result show quite clearly ... no EF-9 tornadoes formed in the CO2 jar ...
     
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    You have been taking SSDD too seriously. Venus radiates 16,000 W/m² from it's surface. Where does all that radiation go? To space?
     
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    Lemme humor your "theory" then and turn the tables on you.. If the GMAST anomaly temp is increasing and it is by about 0.15Deg/Decade -- AND it's a function SOLELY of atmospheric pressure ---

    1) SHOW that "global average pressure" anomaly that you imagine is real... CERTAINLY, some one in some Atmos Physics lab is tracking that -- RIGHT?? Show us the numbers for the increase....

    2) Explain to us the CAUSE of the "growing atmos pressure" anomaly....

    In less than 10 pages please... LOL -- and with credible linkage....

    :rolleyes: Maybe in your OWN THREAD where that IS the topic...

    Or :anj_stfu: and accept basic physics and chemistry and thermodynamics as it's taught and practiced...
     
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    PGE share price is based on WORTH and ASSETS.. Buying stuff increases it's assets even if they suck... When you're facing litigation for setting large portions of the state on fire - that share price plummets.. Because it MAY BE unrecoverable...

    Why would any rational human being risk their capital monies if they have NO RETURN to them? Risk gets rewarded.. And in THIS case,


    What does Bonneville power have to do with BEING FORCED to buy flaky unschedulable wind and solar that requires DUAL generation for when the sun dont shine and wind dont blow???

    Here's a little hint about your "theory" about dividends....

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    Those 35 cent dividends mean NOTHING to an investor who's watched a $70 stock that they own PLUMMET to below $10 a share because the Cali Govt and the corporate mgt are off chasing unicorns farting glitter...
     
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    The Federal Court disagrees with you ...
    "Judge: PG&E Paid Out Stock Dividends Instead of Trimming Trees" --- KQED (an NPR affiliate) --- April 2019

    “PG&E pumped out $4.5 billion in dividends and let the tree budget wither,” [Judge William] Alsup said. [from the bench I might add] ...

    Those 35 cent dividends mean NOTHING ...

    I'm not sure you understands stocks ... your graph clearly shows dividend payments of 53 cent per quarter, or $2.12 per year ... for a 3% return on the $70 stock share ... no, that's not a good return, I don't know why investors thought a company on felony probation was worth $70 a share, they sure did lose though ... them's the breaks ...

    [sigh] ... lots of wind power coming down the BPA lines ... big wind farms along the Columbia River ... a windsurfer hotspot with that steady reliable wind up the Gorge ...
     
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    Then you can't read a chart.. The dividend chart shows a HUGE number of dividend adjustments over a 2 or 4 year period.. With the RANGE of dividends going from under 30 cents to 53 cents.. My bet is --- knowing that PGE is about one step short of govt run company -- that the dividends they CAN ISSUE are DICTATED by their utility license... Wanna put a bet on that? In which case it explains those MONTHLY adjustments in the "poor amount" they are paying their investors...

    POINT IS -- NOBODY worries about the fucking dividend once their $70 dollar stock PLUMMETS to under $10 a share... Can you calculate that LOSS compared to the paltry dividends????

    Shitty journalism from the Socialist state of Cali that really doesn't care about numbers or accuracy... When you read that $4.5 Billion -- did you ask yourself???

    1) Over how many YEARS was this number integrated??
    2) What portion of market capitalization is that number on a PER YEAR basis??

    Since Public Radio doesn't do numbers or finance well (or science for that matter) -- let me venture a guess..

    PGE suspended dividends for quite awhile until 2005... You can find the table here...
    PG&E Corporation - Shareholders - Dividend Information

    So for the period in question -- that would 12 YEARS from 2005 to 2017.... That's $375Million per year... That's on an operating budget of roughly $15BILL in the years 2014 thru 2016... Lemme work out that out for ya... Hang on, big numbers here .......................................................................

    2.5% of operating budget... They spent MORE THAN THAT on compliance and regulations and paperwork...

    AND -- it was REQUIRED to capitalize a company that had been CASTRATED by the state for the previous decade making investment in the company a LOT more unattractive....

    You sure are a sucker for whispy KQED type reporting aintcha???? I love weekend Public TV and Radio, but the stories they tell are cheese puff predetermined scripts..
     
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    "Never let a tragedy go to waste."
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    So, your claim is that the quote was made up ... Judge Alsup doesn't exist ... 8 people didn't die due to PG&E's gross negligence ... ok, boomer ...

    That's on an operating budget of roughly $15BILL in the years 2014 thru 2016 ...

    Wrong ... that's revenue ... here's a link to PG&E's Income Statements for that period ... do you know how to read Income Statements? ... scroll down a bit ... there, see, "gross income" has a special meaning for grown-ups, closer to $2.5 billion ... so keep scrolling down, the highlighted row, net income, closer to $1.5 billion ... except for 2018 ... the parentheses around that $6B figure means negative, as in operating loses, PG&E killed some more people and burned down a mess of homes ...

    Oh wait ... that citation is from Marketwatch ... another one of those liberal lying cheatin' stealin' sites ... just because you can't agree with them or you'd look uninformed ...

    PGE suspended dividends for quite awhile until 2005 ...

    HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW ...
    Yeah, Mr Completely Uninformed ... PG&E was in bankruptcy then too ...

    Here's some educational material for you to read ... try to catch you up with the subject at hand ... "PG&E's Dividend" --- The Motley Fool --- December 2004 ... "As Milo learned in The Phantom Tollbooth, and I did after performing some due diligence, don't jump to conclusions. It is an easy place to get to, but a difficult place to leave." ...

    If it's California regulations that are the problem, why hasn't SoCal Edison and SDG&E filed for bankruptcy? ...
     

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