Clerks II

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    Anyone seen this yet?
    I'm ashamed of myself.
    Kevin Smith is my hero, but I'm deathly afraid of sequels.
    Thank you comic book movies!
     
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    Join the club. Though Clerks is probably only my third or fourth favorite movie by him, it was one of the first ones that I saw, and I'm just terrified to see this, knowing that it could very likely spoil the memory of the first one. Still, EVERYONE'S saying it's great, so it can't be that bad.

    I'm sort of disappointed that I'm not more excited for it. Five years ago, I would've been there opening night, now I'm probably going to go tonight if I can find someone to go with.

    I honestly lost a little respect for Smith after he made such a huge fuss over how he was done with the "Askewniverse" forever, and he was going to start making adult movies like Jersey Girl. Then, as soon as that bombed, he came running back to this world and trying to pretend like he never said anything. Just stick to your guns, Kev. The dude's probably got a bigger built-in fanbase than any other director around, he could film a turd for an hour and a half and it would probably at least have a great opening weekend. So, why not take some chances, rather than just trying to appease some fourteen year olds who haven't heard Jay say "snoogans" enough?

    Then again, Randall is probably one of my favorite characters in any movie ever, so I'm glad to see him back out there.
     
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    i'll wait for the dvd on this one although i'll bet there will be like 4 editions of it. he should have followed through with what he said that he was through with jay and bob after J.S.B.S.B. the only part where they are ever really good in large doeses is dogma. i wasn't thrilled with J.S.B.S.B. to put it mildly.
     
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    Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back was great if you're a huge huge Kevin Smith fanatic. Because there's lots of inside jokes that you will never get unless you're way into his work. But, looking back, I think that was why I liked it so much. It felt like the kind of thing that only a few thousand people would truly appreciate. Looking back, it's not that great. I do quote it occassionally still, especially Ben Affleck playing himself: "no, bullshit, cuz I wasn't with a hooker today, ha ha!"

    FYI, Joker, I'm going to see it at 7:30 by myself, so if you wanna make the trip out to Augusta, you're more than welcome!
     
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    i'm a huge fan but it just wasn't a kevin smith type movie. more slapsticky then the subtle humor he's best at. affleck and damon on the set of good will hunting 2 was ok but after a few minutes it was lets see how many cameos we can get in here. i wasn't a fan of mallrats either. my favs in order: chasing amy,clerks,dogma,mallrats, J.S.B.S.B. if you could call "an evening with kevin smith" a kevin smith film i would put it after dogma because that flick is funny. the prince story? classic. although it did drag when those guys outside wanted to get in. the stuff about the superman movie and the prodicer wanting superman to fight a giant robot spider only to have it show up in wild wild west was funny as hell.
     
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    Just got back from watching it, and my faith in Kevin Smith has been totally restored.

    Part of me really expected this to be just a retread of all the jokes from the first one, but it's way more than that. If anything, I'd compare Clerks and Clerks II to Before Sunrise and Before Sunset: it's main concern is expanding on the two main characters and exploring where they are, now, ten years later.

    There are more serious parts in this than the first one, but they all work really well, especially considering that the movie sort of exists in a somewhat cartoonish universe, more so than the first one. Jeff Anderson really hit it out of the park this time, Randal has a monologue toward the end of the movie that I dare say was almost moving. And the ending was great, completely ambiguous and giving you a whole lot to think about.

    And it's funny as hell. Smith's funniest movie since the first Clerks, for sure (even though I liked Chasing Amy more, I thought Clerks was funnier), and his most vulgar. There's a particular scene that I don't want to spoil here that by all logic should've landed them an NC-17. The MPAA must've been in a very nice mood that day.
     
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    Though it is ambiguous and I interpreted it to be rather sad, this should be the ending that closes out the View Askewniverse, not Jay and Bob dancing with Morris Day.
     
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    would that scene have to deal with what kevin calls "inter spieces erotica"? i think rosero dawson talked about it on leno. i think kevins on one of the late night shows tonight as well. craig ferguson maybe? vh1 had a clerks two speical on a few days ago. btw before sunrise shits on before sunset!
     
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    Sort of, but there's a lot more to that scene than just that. Let's just say that PETA and the Catholic League will likely be equally furious.

    I shit on you!

    They're both equal in my book. I identify more with Sunrise, obviously, because it was written by and for people in their early 20s, whereas Sunset is pretty clearly about heading into middle age. But, like I said, both were good.

    The weirdest thing about Sunset: Julie Delpy is even prettier in Sunset than she was in Sunrise, but Ethan Hawke looks horrendous compared to the earlier film. He looks like a skeleton of himself, really.

    One more Clerks II-related comment: I'm in love with Rosario Dawson.
     
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    did you see Sunrise before sunset or was it the other way around? most people who seem to like sunset over sunrise saw sunset before sunrise. me i saw sunrise back when it first hit hbo in like 97-ish so i grew up with that one. sunrise just seem to flow better and seemed much more natural. a once in a lifetime meeting and night. the fact that left it open was good. did they meet again? did one not show? were they both no shows? that cliffhanger was great because you got to think about what you would do. with sunset i don't know it seemed contrived to me at least. they had to meet again. he had to write a book about it. like they had all these loose ends that they had to tie up. seemed forced. i also think sunrise was better because the city played a part in the story. the narrow streets and the old cemetary. all the wierd people you would meet in a night like that. the wierd actors on the bridge,the poet by the water etc. you really didn't have much of that in sunset. it felt like "we're in paris but that doesn't matter and lets rush through these points we have to hit to move the story along." why waste a location like that? julie delphy looked great in "killing zoe". better then sunset. ethan hawke looks like he's been on a herion binge.

    she was great in "Kids" as well.
     

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