Chinese Nationalism

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    The writers of this blog are 'anonymous' state department folk:

    http://newsisyphus.blogspot.com/2005/04/nationalism-in-asia-why-great-white.html

     
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    Sadly, this argument is more than correct. Even if we had demanded China live up to its promises and agreements before we handed them Most Favored Nation trading status and WTO membership, they still would have acted in the same way they are now.

    Regardless though, their nationalism and their "need" to compete with Japan and dominate Asia will be their undoing.
     
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    This is interesting. Why was it that USA let China become Most Favored Nation at all? Is there a bond betweens USA and China that is... not so obvious? I think China is favoured in more ways, like with the Olympics. They have in turn really done nothing to show their good will?

    What will their undoing result in? Uprising? (Is that a good thing?)
     
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    I think the bond right now is purely a financial one with hopes that this will provide an incentive for further freedoms.
     
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    Most countries strive to access the enormous potential of Chinise market. The interest in business is rarely hindered by political opinions. Also it seems as it is esier to accept a "bad behavior" of a nation if the economical gains are big.

    As for companies they act for profit, - as always. One can count on that they never cut their profit as long as their actions are within the law. And sometimes even that isn't enough.

    But in the case of USA, I wonder if the relation with China also is a practical example of "Keep your friends close, but your enemies even closer"?
     
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    It would be nice if the level of thinking/direction in US foreign policy was that wise, but its highly doubtful.

    The US has stood by and allowed China to transform itself from a backwater oppressive state into an economic powerhouse with mass holdings of US cash, substantial levels of pilfered US technology and weapon systems that now threaten US allies and US interests.
     
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    You managed to find and fit all the scary words in one sentence. Europe does the exact same thing, and belive me there is no long term thinking involved here. Actually we are starting the effort to sell arms to China now, wich is a bit... worse, really. but obvious there is no limit of how much the market of China is worth.
     
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    That is the flaw of all the Western democracies, especially America. Too often long-term thinking is ignored in favor of short term policies that only yield small benefits but avoid larger risks. To win, you must take risks. As Victor Davis Hanson said of US leadership in the past 25 years, every time the US has acted boldly (mostly these were incidents where the leadership was bowing to the long-term interests and potential of issues and problems) , it has succeeded. Where it has acted with caution (often with an eye on short-term interests and needs), it has failed miserably over and over again.
     
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    And somewhere here is the key. I don't belive in "especially America". Our way of live is much more closley linked than it would seem, following threads here. I think America stands out because of its capabilities, not the intentions.

    I will seriously have to look in to some recent descision making, not least descisions made in my own country, just to see when we expect to "cash in".
     
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    I'm sorry Ice Eyes, what country are you from?
     

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