Can Palestinian's and Israeli's ever be friends?

[Billo_Really]

For your knowledge Iran was jewish first home 2000 years ago.

And there's approximately 29,000 of them living there now without any problems.

 

[Phoenall]

The highlighted part of course

It doesn't say anything about negotiating or changing any borders.

Until they engaged in all out war and those borders became non existent. Palestine the mandate had borders, not Palestine the nation.

Wars cannot change borders. Subsequent peace treaties can though not a requirement.

The Mandate was an appointed administration not a place. It had no land or borders.

Mutual borders that would then enter into International law, Or don't you see the need to set in stone immovable borders ?

There were already undisputed international borders. I don't see your point.

So you missed the highlighted part "within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;"

Then how did WW1 change the borders of Turkey when they were defeated. Also the borders of Germany were changed after WW1, and after WW2 when Russia took half of Germany.

NOT SO there where the borders of the various mandates and old borders agreed by treaty. The mandate did not say they were set in stone. And sorry to say Palestine as a nation was not included in any borders.

If as you claim they were undisputed why are the arab muslims kicking up such a fuss over the Israeli borders ?

What Israeli borders are they fussing over?

The ones delineated in the Mandate for Palestine that I have given you many times in the past are in the Mandate

The Mandate was an appointed administration not a place. It had no land or borders.

You are confusing the British mandate and the Mandate of Palestine again. Two completely seperate and different things

 

[P F Tinmore]

It doesn't say anything about negotiating or changing any borders.

Wars cannot change borders. Subsequent peace treaties can though not a requirement.

The Mandate was an appointed administration not a place. It had no land or borders.

There were already undisputed international borders. I don't see your point.

So you missed the highlighted part "within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;"

Then how did WW1 change the borders of Turkey when they were defeated. Also the borders of Germany were changed after WW1, and after WW2 when Russia took half of Germany.

NOT SO there where the borders of the various mandates and old borders agreed by treaty. The mandate did not say they were set in stone. And sorry to say Palestine as a nation was not included in any borders.

If as you claim they were undisputed why are the arab muslims kicking up such a fuss over the Israeli borders ?

What Israeli borders are they fussing over?

The ones delineated in the Mandate for Palestine that I have given you many times in the past are in the Mandate

The Mandate was an appointed administration not a place. It had no land or borders.

You are confusing the British mandate and the Mandate of Palestine again. Two completely seperate and different things

Links?

 

[Phoenall]

For your knowledge Iran was jewish first home 2000 years ago.

And there's approximately 29,000 of them living there now without any problems.

Down from 1.5 million just a few years ago when the ayotallas took over Iran and forced them to leave. Now they live in abject fear of early morning raids, beatings, rapes and recriminations. Those managing to escape have told all about their treatment at the hands of the Iranians, but you don't believe them do you as you are so immersed in your Nazi Jew hatred and anti Semitism that it rules your every second of your life

 

[Phoenall]

So you missed the highlighted part "within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;"

Then how did WW1 change the borders of Turkey when they were defeated. Also the borders of Germany were changed after WW1, and after WW2 when Russia took half of Germany.

NOT SO there where the borders of the various mandates and old borders agreed by treaty. The mandate did not say they were set in stone. And sorry to say Palestine as a nation was not included in any borders.

If as you claim they were undisputed why are the arab muslims kicking up such a fuss over the Israeli borders ?

What Israeli borders are they fussing over?

The ones delineated in the Mandate for Palestine that I have given you many times in the past are in the Mandate

The Mandate was an appointed administration not a place. It had no land or borders.

You are confusing the British mandate and the Mandate of Palestine again. Two completely seperate and different things

Links?

Like these

Mandate for Palestine


The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate


British mandate


British Mandate for Palestine (legal instrument) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[P F Tinmore]

What Israeli borders are they fussing over?

The ones delineated in the Mandate for Palestine that I have given you many times in the past are in the Mandate

The Mandate was an appointed administration not a place. It had no land or borders.

You are confusing the British mandate and the Mandate of Palestine again. Two completely seperate and different things

Links?

Like these

Mandate for Palestine


The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate


British mandate


British Mandate for Palestine (legal instrument) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Two sources for the same thing.

What is the difference?

 

[Phoenall]

The ones delineated in the Mandate for Palestine that I have given you many times in the past are in the Mandate

The Mandate was an appointed administration not a place. It had no land or borders.

You are confusing the British mandate and the Mandate of Palestine again. Two completely seperate and different things

Links?

Like these

Mandate for Palestine


The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate


British mandate


British Mandate for Palestine (legal instrument) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Two sources for the same thing.

What is the difference?

Did you read them and see what the difference are, or are you just spouting your shit again



The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and


The British mandate was the enactment of the Mandate for Palestine, and they were solely caretakers until the Jews and arab muslims had declared free determination on their respective allotted lands.

 

[Billo_Really]

Down from 1.5 million just a few years ago when the ayotallas took over Iran and forced them to leave. Now they live in abject fear of early morning raids, beatings, rapes and recriminations. Those managing to escape have told all about their treatment at the hands of the Iranians, but you don't believe them do you as you are so immersed in your Nazi Jew hatred and anti Semitism that it rules your every second of your life

That's not what they say.

 

[Humanity]

For your knowledge Iran was jewish first home 2000 years ago.

And there's approximately 29,000 of them living there now without any problems.

Down from 1.5 million just a few years ago when the ayotallas took over Iran and forced them to leave. Now they live in abject fear of early morning raids, beatings, rapes and recriminations. Those managing to escape have told all about their treatment at the hands of the Iranians, but you don't believe them do you as you are so immersed in your Nazi Jew hatred and anti Semitism that it rules your every second of your life

The Islamic Revolution in 1979, at a time when the Jewish population was less than 100,000, Jews were not forced to leave..... Quite the contrary....

Ayatollah Khomeini declared that "We recognize our Jews as separate from those godless, bloodsucking Zionists." and issued a fatwa decreeing that the Jews were to be protected.

But you won't believe that! Too immersed in your zionist, racist brainwashing...

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Generally speaking, laws do not tell "what you can do" --- but rather --- "what you cannot do." I'm sure that Iwent over this before.

(COMMENT)

For several millennium --- the most common means was "discovery." However, no new land has been discovered in a century. Today --- there are five primary modes of acquisition of territorial sovereignty which are typically dubbed the ‘original’ or ‘traditional’ methods. Each mode of acquisition - is different:

NOTE: Recognizing the importance of the international regulation of territorial disputes, international law has established a range of mechanisms for peaceful settlement. Whether binding in law as such or not or involving third parties such as courts or international organizations or not, such mechanisms will be briefly reviewed in this lecture. ​

• Occupation: Occupation is the intentional acquisition by a state over a territory which at the time of claim not under the sovereignty of any state. There are two requirements:

(1) the territory subject of claim must not be under the sovereignty of any state (terra nullius); and
(2) the state must have effectively occupied the territory, that is, the state claiming the territory must have exercised immediate occupation (corpus occupandi) on the territory after it displayed its intention to occupy (animus occupandi).

Special Source Note: "g. With regard to acquisition of sovereignty by military occupation, in the case of the Ottoman Empire pre-1918 of the Red Sea islands, the Award of the Arbitral Tribunal in the first stage of proceedings, Territorial Sovereignty and Scope of the Dispute, in the case of Eritrea versus Yemen, October 9, 1998, stated that “title had been secured by military occupation, which was lawful by reference to the international law of the day.” (See Page 7 )"

“maps merely constitute information which varies in accuracy from case to case; of themselves, and by virtue solely of their existence, they cannot constitute a territorial title, that is, a document endowed by international law with intrinsic legal force for the purpose of establishing territorial rights."
​

Attribution: INTERNATIONAL LEGAL RULES FOR DECIDING SOVEREIGNTY DISPUTES by J. Ashley Roach​

• Accretion, is the attainment of sovereignty over new land due to slow movement of natural forces. A contemporary example is the movement of the Rio Grande River between the US and Mexico, in favor of the US.

• Cession, is the transfer of territory usually by treaty from one state to another. Concomitant of transfer of territory is the transfer of sovereignty from the owner state to another state. And since cession is a bilateral transaction, the parties involved are states. Cession may also be in the form of exchange of territory or in the form gift or donation or devise.

• Conquest: is acquiring territory by the use of force. The practice before was after conquest, the conqueror annexed the conquered territory to his state. Thus, conquest first takes place followed by annexation. But with the establishment of the United Nations, conquest is no longer acceptable in the international community. However, it is actually still in use today. A classic example is the Crimean Territory. There was first the case of Russian Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Empire (1783); and then (most recently) the Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation (2014).

• Prescription: means continued occupation over a long period of time by one state of territory actually and originally belonging to another state. There are four requirements of prescription:

(1) the possession must be exercised in the form of actual exercise of sovereign authority;
(2) the possession must be peaceful and uninterrupted;
(3) the possession must be public; and
(4) the possession must be for a long period of time.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Good post. Thank you for proving my point.

 

[Daniyel]

Palestinians Attempt To Lynch Five American Tourists In Hebron

I Just hope you could see the lesson.

 

[Phoenall]

Down from 1.5 million just a few years ago when the ayotallas took over Iran and forced them to leave. Now they live in abject fear of early morning raids, beatings, rapes and recriminations. Those managing to escape have told all about their treatment at the hands of the Iranians, but you don't believe them do you as you are so immersed in your Nazi Jew hatred and anti Semitism that it rules your every second of your life

That's not what they say.

That is exactly what they say and here is the proof



Persecuted Iranian Jews


Read it and see what is really happening in iran

Then we have the population figures that show



Jews of Iran | Jewish Virtual Library


Jewish Population
1948: 100,000 | 2014: 10,000

A 90% decline in numbers due to forced expulsion and mass murder

 

[Humanity]

A 90% decline in numbers due to forced expulsion and mass murder

 

[Billo_Really]

That is exactly what they say and here is the proof



Persecuted Iranian Jews


Read it and see what is really happening in iran

Then we have the population figures that show



Jews of Iran | Jewish Virtual Library


Jewish Population
1948: 100,000 | 2014: 10,000

A 90% decline in numbers due to forced expulsion and mass murder

Do you have a un-biased, non-partisan source?

 

[Challenger]

Palestinians Attempt To Lynch Five American Tourists In Hebron

I Just hope you could see the lesson.

What lesson? They were Jewish yeshiva students that took a wrong turn....oh, you mean this lesson,

"The five Americans were rescued by a local Arab resident who sheltered them in his home. Two of the students were lightly to moderately wounded in the attack."

Got It! Thanks.

 

[Phoenall]

A 90% decline in numbers due to forced expulsion and mass murder

See above as the links are there for you, that is if you can read them

 

[Phoenall]

That is exactly what they say and here is the proof



Persecuted Iranian Jews


Read it and see what is really happening in iran

Then we have the population figures that show



Jews of Iran | Jewish Virtual Library


Jewish Population
1948: 100,000 | 2014: 10,000

A 90% decline in numbers due to forced expulsion and mass murder

Do you have a un-biased, non-partisan source?

Given as far as I am aware, care to show how the link is biased and partisan ?

 

[Phoenall]

Palestinians Attempt To Lynch Five American Tourists In Hebron

I Just hope you could see the lesson.

What lesson? They were Jewish yeshiva students that took a wrong turn....oh, you mean this lesson,

"The five Americans were rescued by a local Arab resident who sheltered them in his home. Two of the students were lightly to moderately wounded in the attack."

Got It! Thanks.

So because they were American Jews it is acceptable in your fantasy world to attack them. Shows just how much you HATE the Jews

 

[Humanity]

A 90% decline in numbers due to forced expulsion and mass murder

See above as the links are there for you, that is if you can read them

So, again you post random links that don't support your blathering!

Can you post a link that clearly states that 90,000 Jews have been "forced expulsion and mass murder"?

 

[Rehmani]

Israeli attitude will destroy Israel, to change their attitude they have to be free from their elders who are using them by their brain wash; please see my signature comments.

HOGWASH and islaminazi propaganda because they know they are unable to defeat the Jews. They have tried and failed many times, and even the combined forces of 5 arab nations could not beat Jewish farmers fighting with farm tools and 19C guns.

Israeli attitude will destroy Israel, to change their attitude they have to be free from their elders who are using them by their brain wash; please see my signature comments.

HOGWASH and islaminazi propaganda because they know they are unable to defeat the Jews. They have tried and failed many times, and even the combined forces of 5 arab nations could not beat Jewish farmers fighting with farm tools and 19C guns.

How silly. Must be you are not Jewish.

Correct I am not Jewish but I support and defend their right to defend themselves from attacks and terrorism. Just as I support and defend the people of Syria's right to defend against attack and terrorism.

How silly again, jewish invade Palestine and you defending them. They are killing innocent empty handed people and you are defending them, correct yourself you are more faithful than a jewish.

When did the Jewish invade Jewish land then ? remember International law stated that the land was Jewish in 1923.

Soon international Law maker will intervene and change and I am sure you will accept the new Law instead.