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and there is no enlightening the closed minded liberals. Can you make a connection of your topic with this?

http://wizbangblog.com/archives/005365.php

AP Runs Environmental Propaganda Piece as News
Another case of journalism by fax machine. For those of you not familiar with the phenomenon, it works like this. An environmentalist wakes up one morning and types up a "report" in the name of his "environmental group." They then fax that "report" to the media who runs it nearly verbatim. AKA Journalism by press release.

Consider this AP report which I took the unusual step of reproducing in its entirety. Read it critically, you might notice a few things missing:

Group Warns of Shrinking Glaciers' Effect
Science [-sic] - AP

By JONATHAN FOWLER, Associated Press Writer

GENEVA - The shrinking of Himalayan glaciers could fuel an upswing in flooding in China, India and Nepal, before creating water shortages for hundreds of millions of people across the region, a leading environmental group warned Monday.

In a report, the Switzerland-based World Wide Fund for Nature said the rate of retreat of the Asian mountain range's glaciers is accelerating because of global warming, and has now reached 33-49 feet a year.

"The rapid melting of Himalayan glaciers will first increase the volume of water in rivers causing widespread flooding," said Jennifer Morgan, head of WWF's global climate change program. "But in a few decades this situation will change and the water level in rivers will decline, meaning massive economic and environmental problems for people in Western China, Nepal and Northern India."

Himalayan glaciers feed into seven of Asia's biggest rivers: the Ganges; Indus; Brahmaputra; Mekong; Thanlwin, formerly known as the Salween; Yangtze and Yellow.

WWF noted that this ensures a year-round water supply to hundreds of millions of people in the Indian subcontinent and China.

As glacier water flows dwindle, the energy potential of hydroelectric power will decrease, causing problems for industry, while reduced irrigation means lower crop production, it said.

Nepal has an annual average temperature rise of .11 degrees Fahrenheit. The report said that flows have decreased in three of Nepal's snow-fed rivers.

In China, the report said, the Qinhai Plateau's wetlands have seen declining lake water levels, lake shrinkage, and the degradation of swampland. In India, the Gangotri glacier, which supports one of India's largest river basins, is receding at an average rate of 76 feet per year.


All the "journalist" did was send out the environmental group's press release. There was no checking to see if any of it was true. There was no interview from any scientist who might disagree. Nothing. Just a restatement of the so called "report."

I hope the AP got paid for that. The pr-newswire makes big money for publishing press releases. This is how environmental "science" reporting works today. An environmental group types up a "report" that can claim basically anything and the media runs it unchallenged. Science be damned, the media will report anything the environmentalists tell them to.

Now- If Halliburton released a "report" that said we had enough oil in the ground to last us another 100 years, do you think the AP would run that unchallenged? Liberal bias in the media? What liberal bias?
 
<blockquote>GOING, GOING, GONE!
Climate Change And Global Glacier Decline

References
1Dyurgerov, M.B. and Meier, M.F. 2000.Twentieth century climate change: Evidence from small glaciers. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 97(4):1406-1411.
2 IPCC 2001. Climate Change 2001: The Scientific Basis. Contribution of Working Group I to the Third Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, UK, 881 pp.
3 Oerlemanns, J., Anderson, B., Hubbard, A., Huybrechts, Ph., Jóhannesson, T., Knap, W.H., Schmeits, M., Stroeven, A.P., van de Wal, R.S.W., Wallinga, J., and Zuo, Z. 2000. Modelling the response of glaciers to climate warming. Climate Dynamics 14: 267-274.
4 Vuichard, M. and Zimmermann, M. 1987. The 1985 catastrophic drainage of a moraine-dammed lake, Khumbu Himal, Nepal: cause and consequences. Mountain Research and Development 7(2):91-110.
5 Mool, P.K., Bajracharya, S.R., and Joshi, S.P. 2001. Inventory of glaciers, glacial lakes and glacial lake outburst floods: Nepal. ICIMOD, Kathmandu, Nepal.
6Mool, P.K., Wangda, D., Bajracharya, S.R., Kunzang, K., Gurung, D.R., and Joshi, S.P. 2001. Inventory of glaciers, glacial lakes and glacial lake outburst floods: Bhutan. ICIMOD, Kathmandu, Nepal.
7 Steitz, D.E. and Buis, A. 2003. Peru in peril? NASA takes a look at a menacing glacierhttp://eob.gsfc.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NasaNews/2003/2003041114343.html
8 Jain, C.K. 2001. A hydro-chemical study of a mountainous watershed: the Ganga, India. Water Research 36(5):1262-1274.
9 Singh, P.S., Jain, S.K., Kumar, N., and Singh, U.K. 1994. Snow and glacier contribution in the Ganga River at Deoprayag. Technical report, CS(AR)132. National Institute of Hydrology, Roorkee, India, 1993-1994.
10 Schroder, H., Harrison, S., Passmore, D.G., Severskiy, I., Veselov, V., and Glazarin, G. 2002. Assessment of renewable ground and surface water resources and the impact of economic activity on runoff in the basin of the Ili River, Republic of Kazakhstan. Kazakh Academy of Sciences, Almaty, Kazakhstan, 314 pp.
11Wagnon, P., Ribstein, P., Kaser, G., and Berton, P.1999. Energy balance and runoff seasonality of a Bolivian Glacier. Global and Planetary Change 22(1-4):49-58.
12 Liniger, H., Weingartner, R., and Grosjean, M. 1998. Mountains of the World: Water Towers for the 21st Century. Mountain Agenda, Berne, Switzerland.
13 Arendt, A.A., Echelmeyer, K.A., Harrision, W.D., Lingle, C.S., and Valentine, V.B. 2002. Rapid wastage of Alaska glaciers and their contribution to rising sea level. Science 297:382-386.
14 Rignot, E., Rivera, A., and Casassa, G. 2003. Contribution of the Patagonia Icefields of South America to sea level rise. Science 302,:434-437.
15 Douglas, B.C. 1995. Global sea level change: Determination and interpretation. Reviews of Geophysics, 33 Suppl.
16 Nicholls, R.J., Mimura, N., and Topping, J.C. 1995. Climate change in south and south-east Asia: some implications for coastal areas. Journal of Global Environmental Engineering 1:137-154.
17 Blais, J.M., Schindler, D.W., Muir, D.C.G., Sharp, M., Donald, D., Lafreniére, M., Braekevelt, E., and Strachan, M.J. 2001. Melting glaciers: a major source of persistent organochlorines to subalpine Bow Lake in Banff National Park, Canada. Ambio 30(7): 410-415.
18 Haeberli, W. and Beniston, M. 1998. Climate change and its impacts on glaciers and permafrost in the Alps. Ambio 27(4):258-265.
19 Thompson, L.G., Mosley-Thompson, E., Davis, M.E., Henderson, K.A., Brecher, H.H., Zagorodnov, V.S., Mashiotta, T.A., Lin, P.-N., Mikhalenko, V.N., Hardy, D.R., and Beer, J. 2002. Kilimanjaro ice core records: evidence of Holocene climate change in tropical Africa. Science 298:589-593.
20 Hastenrath, S. 1993. Toward the satellite monitoring of glacier changes on Mount Kenya. Annals of Glaciology 17:245-249.
21 Kaser, G. and Osmaston, H. 2002. Tropical Glaciers. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, UK, 207 pp.
22 Ageta, Y. and Iwata, S. 1999. The Assessment of Glacier Lake Outburst Flood (GLOF) in Bhutan. Japan/Bhutan: Institute of Hydrospheric-Atmospheric Sciences of Nagoya University, Department of Geography of Tokyo Metropolitan University, and Geological Survey of Bhutan. Report of Japan-Bhutan Joint Research 1998.
23 Khromova, T.E., Dyurgerov, M.B., and Barry, R.G. 2003. Late-twentieth century changes in glacier extent in the Ak-shirak Range, Central Asia, determined from historical data and ASTER imagery. Geophysical Research Letters 30(16): HLS 2/1-2/5.
24 Haeberli , W., Hoezle, M., and Bösch, H., eds.1996. Glacier mass balance bulletin no. 4. IAHS (ICSI)/UNEP/UNESCO, World Glacier Monitoring Service, Zurich, Switzerland.
25 Hastenrath, S. and Ames, A. 1995. Recession of Yanamarey Glacier in Cordillera Blanca, Peru, during the 20th Century. Journal of Glaciology 41:191-196.
26 Kaser, G., Ames, A., and Zamora, M. 1990. Glacier fluctuations and climate in the Cordillera Blanca, Peru. Annals of Glaciology 14:136-140.
27 Francou, B., Ramirez, E., Caceres, B., and Mendoza, J. 2000. Glacier evolution in the tropical Andes during the last decades of the 20th century: Chacaltaya, Bolivia, and Antizana, Ecuador. Ambio 29(7):416-422.
28 Lliboutry, L. 1998. Glaciers of Chile and Argentina. In Satellite Image Atlas of Glaciers of the World: South America (eds. R.S. Williams, Jr. and J.R. Ferrigno). U.S. Government Printing Office, Washington, D.C., USA, pp. I109-I206.
29 Key, C.H., Fagre, D.B., and Menicke, R.K. 2002. Glacier retreat in Glacier National Park, Montana. In Satellite Image Atlas of Glaciers of the World: North America (eds. R.S. Williams Jr. and J.G. Ferrigno). U.S. Government Printing Office, Washington, D.C., USA, pp. J365-J376.
30 Hall, M.H.P. and Fagre, D.B. 2003. Modeled climate-induced glacier change in Glacier National Park, 1850-2100. BioScience 53(2):131-140.
31 Luckman, B. and Kavanagh, T. 2000. Impact of climate fluctuations on mountain environments in the Canadian Rockies. Ambio 29(7):371-380.
32 Hodge, S.M., Trabant, D.C., Krimmel, R.M., Heinrichs, T.A., March, R.S., and Josberger, E.G. 1998. Climate variations and changes in mass of three glaciers in western North America. Journal of Climate 11, 2161-2179.
33 Prentice, M.L. 2003. Changes in New Guinea's glaciers from 1936 to 2000. Report to the World Wildlife Fund.
33 Prentice, M.L. and Maryunani, K., 2002, The History Of The Carstensz Glaciers, Papua Province, Indonesia From 1936 To 2000 And Relations To Climate Change. A Report to PT. Freeport Indonesia.
34 Peterson, J.A. Hope, G.S., and Mitton, R. 1973. Recession of snow and ice fields in Irian Jaya, Republic of Indonesia. Zeitschrift für Gletscherkunde und Glazialgeologie 9:73-87.
35 Chinn, T.J. 1996. New Zealand glacier responses to climate change of the past century. New Zealand Journal of Geology and Geophysics 39:415-428.
36 Jania, J. and Hagen, J.O., eds. 1996. Mass balance of Arctic glaciers. IASC Report No. 5. International Arctic Science Committee, Oslo, Norway.
37 Dickey, J.O., Marcus, S.L., de Viron, O., and Fukumori, I. 2002. Recent Earth oblateness variations: unraveling climate and postglacial rebound effects. Science 298:1975-1977.
38 Zwally, H.J., Abdalati, W., Herring, T., Larson, K., Saba, J., and Steffen, K. 2002. Surface melt-induced acceleration of Greenland ice-sheet flow. Science 297:218-222.
39 Rignot, E. and Jacobs, S.S. 2002. Rapid bottom melting widespread near Antaractic ice sheet grounding lines. Science 296:2020-2023.
40 De Angelis, H. and Skvarca, P. 2003. Glacier surge after ice shelf collapse. Science 299:1560-1562.
41 Van Vliet, G.B. 1993. Status concerns for the "global" population of Kittlitz's Murrelet: is the "Glacier Murrelet" receding? Pacific Seabird Group 20: 15-16.
42 Mueller, D.R. and Vincent, W.R. 2003. Break-up of the largest Arctic ice shelf and associated loss of an epishelf lake. Geophysical Research Letters 30(20):1/1-1/4.
43 Singh, B. 1997. Climate-related global changes in the southern Caribbean: Trinidad and Tobago. Global and Planetary Change 15:93-111.
44 IPCC 2001b. Climate Change 2001: Impacts, Adaptation, and Vulnerability. Contribution of Working Group II to the Third Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, UK, 1032 pp.
45 Gao Qianzhao and Shi Shengshen. 1992. Water resources in the arid zone of northwest China. Journal of Desert Research (Lanzhou) 12-4:1-12.
46 Shain, D.H., Mason, T.A., Farrell, A.H., and Michalewicz, L.A. 2001. Distribution and behavior of ice worms (Mesenchytraeus solifugus) in south-central Alaska. Canadian Journal of Zoology 79:1813-1821.
47 Hoegh-Guldberg, Ove. "Climate Change, coral bleaching and the future of the world's coral reefs." Marine Freshwater Research 1999:50:839-866.
48 Graus, RR and IG Macintyre. "Global warming and the future of Caribbean coral reefs." Carbonates and Evaporites 1998:13:1:43-47.</blockquote>

Here is the link to the original story:

http://www.panda.org/about_wwf/what_we_do/climate_change/problems/impacts/glaciers.cfm

All of the references are provided above.
 
Itsthetruth said:
Careful. You can easily confuse some right-wingers with those highfalutin terms like past tense.

I once told a right-winger that the Bush government was guilty of spreading a lot of disinformation. He asked me: "So who heads up dis Information Department?"

Yikes!

Do you need me to whip you again?
 
Bullypulpit said:
<blockquote>GOING, GOING, GONE!
Climate Change And Global Glacier Decline

References
1Dyurgerov, M.B. and Meier, M.F. 2000.Twentieth century climate change: Evidence from small glaciers. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 97(4):1406-1411.
2 IPCC 2001. Climate Change 2001: The Scientific Basis. Contribution of Working Group I to the Third Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, UK, 881 pp.
3 Oerlemanns, J., Anderson, B., Hubbard, A., Huybrechts, Ph., Jóhannesson, T., Knap, W.H., Schmeits, M., Stroeven, A.P., van de Wal, R.S.W., Wallinga, J., and Zuo, Z. 2000. Modelling the response of glaciers to climate warming. Climate Dynamics 14: 267-274.
4 Vuichard, M. and Zimmermann, M. 1987. The 1985 catastrophic drainage of a moraine-dammed lake, Khumbu Himal, Nepal: cause and consequences. Mountain Research and Development 7(2):91-110.
5 Mool, P.K., Bajracharya, S.R., and Joshi, S.P. 2001. Inventory of glaciers, glacial lakes and glacial lake outburst floods: Nepal. ICIMOD, Kathmandu, Nepal.
6Mool, P.K., Wangda, D., Bajracharya, S.R., Kunzang, K., Gurung, D.R., and Joshi, S.P. 2001. Inventory of glaciers, glacial lakes and glacial lake outburst floods: Bhutan. ICIMOD, Kathmandu, Nepal.
7 Steitz, D.E. and Buis, A. 2003. Peru in peril? NASA takes a look at a menacing glacierhttp://eob.gsfc.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NasaNews/2003/2003041114343.html
8 Jain, C.K. 2001. A hydro-chemical study of a mountainous watershed: the Ganga, India. Water Research 36(5):1262-1274.
9 Singh, P.S., Jain, S.K., Kumar, N., and Singh, U.K. 1994. Snow and glacier contribution in the Ganga River at Deoprayag. Technical report, CS(AR)132. National Institute of Hydrology, Roorkee, India, 1993-1994.
10 Schroder, H., Harrison, S., Passmore, D.G., Severskiy, I., Veselov, V., and Glazarin, G. 2002. Assessment of renewable ground and surface water resources and the impact of economic activity on runoff in the basin of the Ili River, Republic of Kazakhstan. Kazakh Academy of Sciences, Almaty, Kazakhstan, 314 pp.
11Wagnon, P., Ribstein, P., Kaser, G., and Berton, P.1999. Energy balance and runoff seasonality of a Bolivian Glacier. Global and Planetary Change 22(1-4):49-58.
12 Liniger, H., Weingartner, R., and Grosjean, M. 1998. Mountains of the World: Water Towers for the 21st Century. Mountain Agenda, Berne, Switzerland.
13 Arendt, A.A., Echelmeyer, K.A., Harrision, W.D., Lingle, C.S., and Valentine, V.B. 2002. Rapid wastage of Alaska glaciers and their contribution to rising sea level. Science 297:382-386.
14 Rignot, E., Rivera, A., and Casassa, G. 2003. Contribution of the Patagonia Icefields of South America to sea level rise. Science 302,:434-437.
15 Douglas, B.C. 1995. Global sea level change: Determination and interpretation. Reviews of Geophysics, 33 Suppl.
16 Nicholls, R.J., Mimura, N., and Topping, J.C. 1995. Climate change in south and south-east Asia: some implications for coastal areas. Journal of Global Environmental Engineering 1:137-154.
17 Blais, J.M., Schindler, D.W., Muir, D.C.G., Sharp, M., Donald, D., Lafreniére, M., Braekevelt, E., and Strachan, M.J. 2001. Melting glaciers: a major source of persistent organochlorines to subalpine Bow Lake in Banff National Park, Canada. Ambio 30(7): 410-415.
18 Haeberli, W. and Beniston, M. 1998. Climate change and its impacts on glaciers and permafrost in the Alps. Ambio 27(4):258-265.
19 Thompson, L.G., Mosley-Thompson, E., Davis, M.E., Henderson, K.A., Brecher, H.H., Zagorodnov, V.S., Mashiotta, T.A., Lin, P.-N., Mikhalenko, V.N., Hardy, D.R., and Beer, J. 2002. Kilimanjaro ice core records: evidence of Holocene climate change in tropical Africa. Science 298:589-593.
20 Hastenrath, S. 1993. Toward the satellite monitoring of glacier changes on Mount Kenya. Annals of Glaciology 17:245-249.
21 Kaser, G. and Osmaston, H. 2002. Tropical Glaciers. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, UK, 207 pp.
22 Ageta, Y. and Iwata, S. 1999. The Assessment of Glacier Lake Outburst Flood (GLOF) in Bhutan. Japan/Bhutan: Institute of Hydrospheric-Atmospheric Sciences of Nagoya University, Department of Geography of Tokyo Metropolitan University, and Geological Survey of Bhutan. Report of Japan-Bhutan Joint Research 1998.
23 Khromova, T.E., Dyurgerov, M.B., and Barry, R.G. 2003. Late-twentieth century changes in glacier extent in the Ak-shirak Range, Central Asia, determined from historical data and ASTER imagery. Geophysical Research Letters 30(16): HLS 2/1-2/5.
24 Haeberli , W., Hoezle, M., and Bösch, H., eds.1996. Glacier mass balance bulletin no. 4. IAHS (ICSI)/UNEP/UNESCO, World Glacier Monitoring Service, Zurich, Switzerland.
25 Hastenrath, S. and Ames, A. 1995. Recession of Yanamarey Glacier in Cordillera Blanca, Peru, during the 20th Century. Journal of Glaciology 41:191-196.
26 Kaser, G., Ames, A., and Zamora, M. 1990. Glacier fluctuations and climate in the Cordillera Blanca, Peru. Annals of Glaciology 14:136-140.
27 Francou, B., Ramirez, E., Caceres, B., and Mendoza, J. 2000. Glacier evolution in the tropical Andes during the last decades of the 20th century: Chacaltaya, Bolivia, and Antizana, Ecuador. Ambio 29(7):416-422.
28 Lliboutry, L. 1998. Glaciers of Chile and Argentina. In Satellite Image Atlas of Glaciers of the World: South America (eds. R.S. Williams, Jr. and J.R. Ferrigno). U.S. Government Printing Office, Washington, D.C., USA, pp. I109-I206.
29 Key, C.H., Fagre, D.B., and Menicke, R.K. 2002. Glacier retreat in Glacier National Park, Montana. In Satellite Image Atlas of Glaciers of the World: North America (eds. R.S. Williams Jr. and J.G. Ferrigno). U.S. Government Printing Office, Washington, D.C., USA, pp. J365-J376.
30 Hall, M.H.P. and Fagre, D.B. 2003. Modeled climate-induced glacier change in Glacier National Park, 1850-2100. BioScience 53(2):131-140.
31 Luckman, B. and Kavanagh, T. 2000. Impact of climate fluctuations on mountain environments in the Canadian Rockies. Ambio 29(7):371-380.
32 Hodge, S.M., Trabant, D.C., Krimmel, R.M., Heinrichs, T.A., March, R.S., and Josberger, E.G. 1998. Climate variations and changes in mass of three glaciers in western North America. Journal of Climate 11, 2161-2179.
33 Prentice, M.L. 2003. Changes in New Guinea's glaciers from 1936 to 2000. Report to the World Wildlife Fund.
33 Prentice, M.L. and Maryunani, K., 2002, The History Of The Carstensz Glaciers, Papua Province, Indonesia From 1936 To 2000 And Relations To Climate Change. A Report to PT. Freeport Indonesia.
34 Peterson, J.A. Hope, G.S., and Mitton, R. 1973. Recession of snow and ice fields in Irian Jaya, Republic of Indonesia. Zeitschrift für Gletscherkunde und Glazialgeologie 9:73-87.
35 Chinn, T.J. 1996. New Zealand glacier responses to climate change of the past century. New Zealand Journal of Geology and Geophysics 39:415-428.
36 Jania, J. and Hagen, J.O., eds. 1996. Mass balance of Arctic glaciers. IASC Report No. 5. International Arctic Science Committee, Oslo, Norway.
37 Dickey, J.O., Marcus, S.L., de Viron, O., and Fukumori, I. 2002. Recent Earth oblateness variations: unraveling climate and postglacial rebound effects. Science 298:1975-1977.
38 Zwally, H.J., Abdalati, W., Herring, T., Larson, K., Saba, J., and Steffen, K. 2002. Surface melt-induced acceleration of Greenland ice-sheet flow. Science 297:218-222.
39 Rignot, E. and Jacobs, S.S. 2002. Rapid bottom melting widespread near Antaractic ice sheet grounding lines. Science 296:2020-2023.
40 De Angelis, H. and Skvarca, P. 2003. Glacier surge after ice shelf collapse. Science 299:1560-1562.
41 Van Vliet, G.B. 1993. Status concerns for the "global" population of Kittlitz's Murrelet: is the "Glacier Murrelet" receding? Pacific Seabird Group 20: 15-16.
42 Mueller, D.R. and Vincent, W.R. 2003. Break-up of the largest Arctic ice shelf and associated loss of an epishelf lake. Geophysical Research Letters 30(20):1/1-1/4.
43 Singh, B. 1997. Climate-related global changes in the southern Caribbean: Trinidad and Tobago. Global and Planetary Change 15:93-111.
44 IPCC 2001b. Climate Change 2001: Impacts, Adaptation, and Vulnerability. Contribution of Working Group II to the Third Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, UK, 1032 pp.
45 Gao Qianzhao and Shi Shengshen. 1992. Water resources in the arid zone of northwest China. Journal of Desert Research (Lanzhou) 12-4:1-12.
46 Shain, D.H., Mason, T.A., Farrell, A.H., and Michalewicz, L.A. 2001. Distribution and behavior of ice worms (Mesenchytraeus solifugus) in south-central Alaska. Canadian Journal of Zoology 79:1813-1821.
47 Hoegh-Guldberg, Ove. "Climate Change, coral bleaching and the future of the world's coral reefs." Marine Freshwater Research 1999:50:839-866.
48 Graus, RR and IG Macintyre. "Global warming and the future of Caribbean coral reefs." Carbonates and Evaporites 1998:13:1:43-47.</blockquote>

Here is the link to the original story:

http://www.panda.org/about_wwf/what_we_do/climate_change/problems/impacts/glaciers.cfm

All of the references are provided above.

Bully it's an incestuous study. Besides, they should not be releasing it as AP story, which AP does not vet itself.

You are the one that's gone...
 
Kathianne said:
Bully it's an incestuous study. Besides, they should not be releasing it as AP story, which AP does not vet itself.

You are the one that's gone...


Clearly Kathianne is correct Bully, listing scientists and a "study" without peer review is disingenuous. The AP should vet the story by providing the peer review rather than reporting as fact the opinion of these scientists. There are groups of scientists with opposing opinion on this particular subject that should have been heard from rather than accepting an incestuous study without valid peer review as sooth.
 
Ah, but that's the point of the exercise, no1. The hope is that the SYMBOLIC value of a large volume of words will trump the fact that these words are, basically, saying nothing. It's the oldest trick in the liberal handbook: When beaten on the facts of a matter, submit a ponderous (if meaningless) study, and watch the opposition melt away.
 
musicman said:
Ah, but that's the point of the exercise, no1. The hope is that the SYMBOLIC value of a large volume of words will trump the fact that these words are, basically, saying nothing. It's the oldest trick in the liberal handbook: When beaten on the facts of a matter, submit a ponderous (if meaningless) study, and watch the opposition melt away.


Well not always! :laugh:
 
Kathianne said:
Well not always! :laugh:


It's because it only really works with the MSM and people who had the same opinion to begin with and were only arguing as the Devil's Advocate. Those type of people really want the study to be true and fail to see that all of the scientists provided are members of groups that work to prove the Global Warming theory without regard to the methodology of their "science". They work to get it generally accepted so that those who work on opposing theories can be marginalized.
 
rtwngAvngr said:
Do you need me to whip you again?

Sorry. You have me mistaken for someone else. I'm not into S & M. Have you sought help for this deviant behavior?
 
Itsthetruth said:
Sorry. You have me mistaken for someone else. I'm not into S & M. Have you sought help for this deviant behavior?


Wow. Now you are busting on the kinksters? Is there no end to your abusive stereotyping?
 
no1tovote4 said:
Wow. Now you are busting on the kinksters? Is there no end to your abusive stereotyping?



He's really quite intolerant, isn't he? We should consider posting, as a sticky, the admonitions contained in Psychobabble 101 According to Bullypulpit:

"Any criticism of a behavior necessarily indicates that you secretly wish to engage in said behavior".
 
no1tovote4 said:
Clearly Kathianne is correct Bully, listing scientists and a "study" without peer review is disingenuous. The AP should vet the story by providing the peer review rather than reporting as fact the opinion of these scientists. There are groups of scientists with opposing opinion on this particular subject that should have been heard from rather than accepting an incestuous study without valid peer review as sooth.

Then, it is the AP's problem, not that of the original article. As for peer reviewed studies, there are 928 accepting the fact global warming with 75% of these accepting, explicity or implicity, human activity as the driving force behind global warming and the other 25% taking no position on human activity and global warming.(1.)

Number of peer reviewed articles denying global warming - Zero, zilch, nada, none. (2.)

Citations:

(1.) http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686

(2.) http://www.ems.org/climate/reports/cc_mg_97.06.18.html
 
musicman said:
He's really quite intolerant, isn't he? We should consider posting, as a sticky, the admonitions contained in Psychobabble 101 According to Bullypulpit:

"Any criticism of a behavior necessarily indicates that you secretly wish to engage in said behavior".

Having spent some time searching for the quote you attributed to me, I keep coming up with a goose-egg.
 
no1tovote4 said:
Wow. Now you are busting on the kinksters? Is there no end to your abusive stereotyping?


Not at all. If you love a Mistress whipping the hell out of your backside Mr. no1tovote4, go for it! But, that's not my cup of tea.

Lot's of right-wingers are freaks. Like I said, different strokes for different folks.
 
Bullypulpit said:
Having spent some time searching for the quote you attributed to me, I keep coming up with a goose-egg.



Aw, c'mon - work with me, Bully! At a bare minimum, you have stated, "I hate to tell you this, boyo, but raging homophobia of the kind you display has been scientifically proven to indicate latent homosexuality" TWO DOZEN TIMES in the year I've been on this board.
 
musicman said:
Aw, c'mon - work with me, Bully! At a bare minimum, you have stated, "I hate to tell you this, boyo, but raging homophobia of the kind you display has been scientifically proven to indicate latent homosexuality" TWO DOZEN TIMES in the year I've been on this board.

I think I said that it "...Has been shown in several studies..." that the most virulent homophobes are indeed deeply closeted homosexuals. I don't believe I ever mentioned anything about proof. I may be wrong, but I don't think so.
 
Itsthetruth said:
Not at all. If you love a Mistress whipping the hell out of your backside Mr. no1tovote4, go for it! But, that's not my cup of tea.

Lot's of right-wingers are freaks. Like I said, different strokes for different folks.


Nah, I gotta be the Top!

:whip3:
 
Bullypulpit said:
Then, it is the AP's problem, not that of the original article. As for peer reviewed studies, there are 928 accepting the fact global warming with 75% of these accepting, explicity or implicity, human activity as the driving force behind global warming and the other 25% taking no position on human activity and global warming.(1.)

Number of peer reviewed articles denying global warming - Zero, zilch, nada, none. (2.)

Citations:

(1.) http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686

(2.) http://www.ems.org/climate/reports/cc_mg_97.06.18.html


Regardless, your article you used as "proof" used one that was not peer-reviewed.

I never said or even implied that global warming didn't exist, but did say that this whole Himalayan flooding etc. being caused by it had no "proof" from your study as it was not peer-reviewed. It was interesting how it said there would be flooding and then used a lake not having enough water to prove it.

You attempt once more to read too much into what I stated and then miss the point entirely. I begin to think that it is deliberate.

Now of the many peer-reviewed studies that suggest global warming about half are of the opinion that it is cyclical in nature and not caused by human action, while the others believe that human action is what caused it. This is where the uncertainty lies.
 
Bullypulpit said:
Then, it is the AP's problem, not that of the original article. As for peer reviewed studies, there are 928 accepting the fact global warming with 75% of these accepting, explicity or implicity, human activity as the driving force behind global warming and the other 25% taking no position on human activity and global warming.(1.)

Number of peer reviewed articles denying global warming - Zero, zilch, nada, none. (2.)

Citations:

(1.) http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686

(2.) http://www.ems.org/climate/reports/cc_mg_97.06.18.html


Which was the original point of my posting. Bully you ARE losing it.

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