CAIR Director Claims Muslims Are “Above The Law Of The Land.”

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  1. emilynghiem
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    Dear MisterBeale thank you for your honest assessment of the plight of humanity.
    Yes and no, I agree we have these flaws, so that COLLECTIVELY when forming
    CORPORATE groups, institutions, PARTIES and Govt (and also media conglomerates)
    YES unfortunately the worst flaws of humanity are MULTIPLIED and become oppressive and abusive.

    However, this is not to say it is hopeless.
    By treating the people making up these Govts, parties and Corporate interests
    as INDIVIDUALS, that's where we have every opportunity to connect
    as you and I do here.

    You and I could treat each other as just another member of an anonymous mob of mindsets on the internet.
    But instead we hear each other as individuals.

    When I address longknife, this isn't as a mindless group, but addressing
    an individual who believes in Constitutional laws as I do, and we respect those principles.

    Each person has their own language for the laws, and when we address
    each other by common laws we commit to follow, we have this chance
    to connect on common principles.

    I do believe it is inherent in our human nature and process of development
    to "break down" the mob mentality and work toward one-on-one connections.

    Then apply that back to COLLECTIVELY influencing our media and corporate hierarchies in turn.

    So the ripple effect, the law of attraction or laws of "cause and effect" play in our favor.

    The same PROCESS
    by which NEGATIVE perceptions and FEARS that bias individuals and create a whole MOB of people of that mindset
    also works the OTHER WAY
    when POSITIVE changes that expand our perception and ways of dealing with conflict
    start with INDIVIDUALS and replicate to affect RELATIONS around us
    (and that in turn multiples to affect INSTITUTIONS around us).

    So bad news is YES the groups and individuals co-influence each other when it comes to NEGATIVE and FEAR BASED perceptions.
    And GOOD NEWS is YES this dynamic also works with POSITIVE change and growth in relations and understanding to correct wrongs.
     
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    Dear justoffal
    Then if Mustafaa would never do any of that you would never accuse or react to him as such.
    And if ANYONE did those things to you against your Constitutional rights, beliefs and protections,
    you would react in defense of the law REGARDLESS if such person were Muslim or not, or of any affiliation.

    The issue is NOT whether Mustafaa is Muslim,
    it's whether you are being forced by any person or group to compromise your rights, beliefs
    and free exercise of religion or speech protected equally under law.

    Before any of us "judges or condemns" Mustafaa or any other Muslim,
    let us first prove that person GUILTY of abuse or other unlawful threat or action that
    CALLS for depriving liberty according to the law. That's called DUE PROCESS of laws
    before depriving a fellow citizen of liberty.

    If someone is so abusive or oppressive they do not believe in respecting due process of laws and CANNOT COMPLY,
    if they are so mentally disordered or criminally sick as to disrespect the laws and rights of others that they cause UNLAWFUL
    breaches and threats to health and safety, then their mental and legal incompetence is the problem regardless which religion they are.
     
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    Some people are just too stupid and sheltered to face up to real evil in the world, and think some false 'objectivity' makes them 'enlightened n stuff', as if all beliefs are of equal validity and end up with the same results or something, which of course is utter nonsense. these people are like those credulous idiot Burb Brats who go 'adventure touring' in Islamo-Vermin countries despite all warnings and get themselves killed, same with idiots raised on TV who will try and pet wild bears and other animals because they watched Grizzly Adams on TV and think they learned all about 'nature'.

    Save the arrogant clueless infantile narcissism for the rubes in grade school.
     
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    No one is above the law... Neither muslims or politicians
     
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    You are quite correct.
    The same holds for Mostafa, leeroy, Mr. Chang, Pablo or Johnny the next door neighbor..... They all have breakable legs;
    Equally and without prejudice.

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    The Timothy Treadwell syndrome.

    Jo
     
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    Dear Picaro

    If you go back and re-read my msgs:
    I DID specify that Muslims like any other group can include people who are criminally ill or legally/mentally incompetent
    to comply with laws. Please read my last msg to justoffal that spells this out more specifically.

    That's fine to introduce laws requiring advance screening for dangerous mental or criminal illness to catch
    the ones who pose threats to health and safety. But it has to be applied EQUALLY to all people and not target or profile
    in a discriminatory fashion. So it could apply to ALL immigrants applying for citizenship,
    or apply to ALL citizens upon turning 18 and first claiming rights and privileges as legally responsible adults.

    If ALL citizens, born here or not, were required to take the SAME oath, training and MENTAL HEALTH screening as police and military
    to uphold Constitutional laws and follow legal procedures BEFORE granting rights and privileges of CITIZENSHIP, that would be fair.
     
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    . . . but the government indoctrination of these individuals, and the corporate propaganda all say "such and such" about the topic at hand.

    With the caveat that; "you may hear otherwise out there, but that is an intentional strategy to lie to you by 1.8 million evil people," and anyone that would use rational, logical thought.. . . .

    IOW, the bogeyman is much more compelling.

    Thus, what is the point?

    P.S., I find your boundless optimism for solutions and cooperative change against oppressive forces that oppose all people refreshing.

    I think the good news is, well meaning people of the world, be they Jew, Christian, or Muslim, never initiate force or violence.

    So the entire conversation is sort of moot. It is the nefarious forces we need to be concerned about, and these, more often than not, are associated with the very same institutions that are warning us about the enemy we should be concerned about.
     
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    Is female genital mutilation the law of the land in the U.S.? How about marrying of 10 year old girls? How about honor killings? How about slaughtering Jews as dogs?
     
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    Uh-oh....nowwwwwww you've gone and done it! Stated the obvious! Tsk tsk tsk ...

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