CA & AZ immigration law about the same

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    Well well well...

    Calif. penal code pertaining to immigration similar to Ariz.'s SB 1070 - Water Cooler - Washington Times
    By Kerry Picket on May 15, 2010

    Wow. OK there was a voice of sanity in La La Land. But there was also the voice of... well this guy...

    Link to audio interview:
    http://media.washingtontimes.com/media/audio/2010/May/14/City_Councilman_Reyes_LA.wav

    Lets see if we can't follow the argument of Mr. Reyes. He thinks it's wrong to ask of someone, already legaly detained, weather or not they have broken additional laws in reguard to their immigration, because the fears the police may not follow the law.

    Picket also speaks with Becca Doten, who is the communications director for LACC Richard Alarcon (a democrat). While he "doesn't believe that Arizona Police are inherently racist" he does not think they are capable of doing the job due to poor training. This begs the question, what kind of traning do the California police get, who also may not be inherently racist one hopes, in reguards to California immigration law. Why?

    Here is "the kicker" as they day... they are stikingly similar:
    CA Codes (pen:833-851.90)

    California Penal Code 834b:
    834b. (a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully
    cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization
    Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is
    suspected of being present in the United States in violation of
    federal immigration laws.
    (b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected
    of being present in the United States in violation of federal
    immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the
    following:
    (1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen
    of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent
    resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time
    or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of
    immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not
    be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and
    place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding
    documentation to indicate his or her legal status.

    (2) Notify the person of his or her apparent status as an alien
    who is present in the United States in violation of federal
    immigration laws and inform him or her that, apart from any criminal
    justice proceedings, he or she must either obtain legal status or
    leave the United States.
    (3) Notify the Attorney General of California and the United
    States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal
    status and provide any additional information that may be requested
    by any other public entity.

    (c) Any legislative, administrative, or other action by a city,
    county, or other legally authorized local governmental entity with
    jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law enforcement agency, to prevent
    or limit the cooperation required by subdivision (a) is expressly
    prohibited.

    Should we be laughing or crying at this point? Is Arizona worse than California, thus deserving of boycotts, for no better reason than they intend to enforce the law. How long before President Obama goes on TV to call California immigration law "misguided"? Maybe he does not have to because illegal immigrants in Cali are walking around listning to "I fought the law, and the law gave up" on their Ipods.

    Or maybe, just maybe... the Arizona law, similar as it is to most others, is just an excuse for political grandstanding, the PC police and the rest of the noise machine. Something Obama himself might call, "a distraction".
     
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    SAN FRANCISCO / City is sued for failing to report noncitizens arrested for drugs / Activist contends police are breaking California law - SFGate

    Part of the Washington Times article noted the case of Charles Fonseca, "a 70-year-old Portola district resident who came to the United States from Nicaragua at the age of 9 and filed the lawsuit May 4 (2007), said he opposes amnesty for illegal immigrants, especially those who break the law after they get here." the link is above. There was no follow up in the article from my OP so I will note some additional information below.

    Fonseca v. Fong | Judicial Watch

    yadda yadda yadda

    That sounds not entirly unlike whats going on in Arizona legal thinking these days.

    Following the above will lead to additional links but only going as far as late October of 2008. I'm not sure of further developments but to that time at least, the similarity of California and Arizona legal thinking remains.
     
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