Bush denies Iraq war is lost

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    President George Bush says sectarian murders have dropped by half in Baghdad since the US-Iraqi military buildup began in February, rejecting a Democratic leader's claim that the war is lost.

    The president said early signs show the operation to quell violence is meeting expectations.

    "There are still horrific attacks in Iraq, such as the bombings in Baghdad on Wednesday, but the direction of the fight is beginning to shift," Bush said on Friday in his second speech on terrorism in two days.

    Bush spoke at a high school in suburban Grand Rapids to about 500 students and members of the World Affairs Council of Western Michigan. Outside, dozens of protesters shouted anti-war chants and held signs that said "No blood for oil," "End imperialism now" and "Sieg heil Bush."

    Bush urged Americans not to be swayed by the violence inflicted by suicide bombers and focus, instead, on incremental gains Iraqi and US forces are making day by day, block by block in Baghdad. Weapons stockpiles are being seized, extremists are being captured and displaced families are returning home, he said.

    "When a family decides to stop depending on militias to protect them or a young man rejects insurgency and joins the Iraqi army, it doesn't usually make the evening news," Bush said.

    The Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid, says the war in Iraq is "lost" and can only be won through political, economic and diplomatic means. He said the surge is not accomplishing anything. Republicans have pounced on Reid for his comments, accusing him of turning his back on the troops and hurting military morale in Iraq.

    Senator Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat who chairs the Armed Services Committee, defended Reid on Friday. Levin said he agreed the military fight in Iraq cannot be won and that Bush's strategy lacks the necessary leverage to force Iraqi politicians to reach a settlement.

    Bush "doesn't have the teeth," Levin told reporters in a conference call. "He doesn't have the pressure on the Iraqi leaders by just repeating, which he's done now for a month, that our patience is not unlimited."

    Senator Amy Klobuchar, a Minnesota Democrat, said the United States needs to send a clear message to the Iraqi Government that American troops won't stay there indefinitely. Klobuchar, who visited Baghdad and Fallujah last month, said the best thing America can do for its troops is to get its Iraq policy right.

    "This means, as recommended by the bipartisan Iraq Study Group, that we begin the process of redeploying our troops with the goal of withdrawing combat forces by next year," she said in remarks prepared for broadcast yesterday following the president's weekly radio address.

    Pushing back against Democrats, Bush said that not all the troops that he ordered in January in a military buildup have arrived. It is too early to assume defeat, he said.

    "Ultimately, withdrawal would increase the probability that American troops would have to return to Iraq - and confront an enemy that is even more dangerous," Bush said.

    In past addresses on the war, Bush has worked to paint a rose-coloured picture of progress in Iraq. This time, he showed the audience in Michigan maps and a photograph of the rubble left


    http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/bush-denies-iraq-war-is-lost/2007/04/21/1176697158057.html

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    and?
     
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    President George Bush says sectarian murders have dropped by half in Baghdad since the US-Iraqi military buildup began in February, rejecting a Democratic leader's claim that the war is lost.

    The president said early signs show the operation to quell violence is meeting expectations.

    "There are still horrific attacks in Iraq, such as the bombings in Baghdad on Wednesday, but the direction of the fight is beginning to shift," Bush said on Friday in his second speech on terrorism in two days.

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    On every available indicator the year just ended (March 2006 – March 2007) has been by far the worst year for violence against civilians in Iraq since the invasion:

    almost half (44%) of all violent civilian deaths after the initial invasion phase occurred in the just-ended fourth year of the conflict

    mortar attacks that kill civilians have quadrupled in the last year (from 73 to 289)

    massive bomb blasts that kill more than 50 people have nearly doubled in the last year (from 9 to 17)

    fatal suicide bombs, car bombs, and roadside bombing attacks have doubled in the last year (from 712 to 1476)

    one in 160 of Baghdad’s 6.5 million population has been violently killed since the beginning of the war, representing 64% of deaths recorded so far

    These are the stark headlines derived from Iraq Body Count’s ongoing compilation and analysis of media reports of civilian casualties in the Iraq conflict, which has documented 65,000 violent deaths to date.

    http://www.iraqbodycount.org/press/pr15.php


    So last year was the worst, Bush says its better, we would see the next few months if anything is changing. I guess once all the walls are up, things should be hunky dorey.
     
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    Good job. Though I would assume no one is going to give it a few months, I mean that would be silly, no?
     
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    At this point honestly only time will tell, Bush is partly right in that we need to be patient.

    What he needs to start doing is explaining to people why the US cant just pull out, instead of playing games with Congress.

    He needs to tell the public that if the US leaves HOW it will potentially get worse, and WHY.

    No more blaming congress. No more blaming bush.

    Everyone needs to accept that the US is there and cant just turn around and walk away.

    Bush should almost fess up and say the US has an obligation to stay until the mess is cleaned up.

    When he says "stay till the jobs done" people are assuming he is referring to the war, when the war is over the US can leave.

    thats not the problem.

    and patience is needed.

    I do wish things would hurry up though.
     
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    I'm sorry if I'm about to dump unjustly on you, but bottom line, those that wish the surge will work are neandrathals. Those that think nothing will work are libtards. Isn't that the bottom line? We are a country of cannibals.
     
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    Pretty soon the food's going to runout and the last one standing will be a vegetarian :cool:
     
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    Well...Ya gota look at this as...Stay the course.

    Vote McCaine in...and no need to go to a Plan "B".

    Superlative...(smile).

    No need to show proof of any more in this Surge,invasion,occupation....Point out a few facts...they all shut up.

    Not one can answer a question...just pretend to de-bait in hope of distraction..or colorful words...I gota hand it to alot of you..:)

    I so wish there was at least one here/that could hear...who could testify that I am to smart for my own good.

    I personaly believe also..and I could go get signatures from Vets,Parents..People who give a dam about there neighborhood..and PEOPLE as a whole...This Country....NOT just here they care about..but the world as well...

    Smell the coffee people...that is shot to shi_..:)...without the "t"

    Cons should stop blaming the libs..for there own political downfall.

    They had the opportunity after 911..the world was with us...They blew it...

    Even Gore in office..woulda done a better job than this moron in office...

    Yeeehaaa...:)

    Creek
     
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    You're too smart for your own good. You can do better than this.

    How's that? :cool:
     
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    With poisonous plants to fight over.
     

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