Bush administration violated the law...

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    The following article appeared in the Washington Post, "Bush aides misused e-mail, House panel says." The article discusses the actions of Bush aides and their violation of the law in misusing political email accounts for government business.

    This action is clearly a violation of the law and an attempt to circumvent the right of the people to obtain access to communications of this administration. These actions violated the law and were an attempt to prevent Congress and the American people from being able to access this information and this was an attempt by the Bush administration to avoid the requirements of the laws governing presidential records. The article states, "The committee said it learned that the White House used the RNC acounts to discuss official matters such as appointments and grant announcements." These discussions are considered public records and are the property of the United States government and not the property of the persons sending these emails. That some of these records have been lost and been deleted is inappropriate at minimum and criminal conspiracy at worst.

    We should give the Bush administration the benefit of the doubt but it is becoming quite apparent that they have subverted the legal process, and the rights of the American people. The most shocking part of the article is the part that states, "As a result of these policies, potentially hundreds of thousands of White House emails have been destroyed, many which may be presidential records."

    Senator Leahy (D-VT) is quoted as having said, "It is troubling that so many senior White HOuse officials, including Karl ROve and his former deputy Sara Taylor, were engaging in an effort to avoid oversight and accountability by ignoring the laws meant to ensure a public record of official government business." I am shocked at what has been allowed to happen and I am upset that George Bush and his friends in the White House have decided that they are above the law. Of course, those who voted for him also think they are above the law but forunately for America we have laws which are intended to protect us, and hopefully the Judiciary and Legislature will step forward and require the ISP's and others who may have access to the deleted emails of these RNC accounts to turn them over.

    I am not a tech savvy person so I am not sure if this is possible but if there is any way that we can retrieve these emails which are the property of the United States government we should do so and if the Bush administration and others continue to violate the law in this manner than they should be held responsible under the law including if necessary impeachment of those responsible for these actions. I am beginning to feel sympathy for President Bush because I am not so sure that he knows that there have been illegal actions on the part of his administration. It is difficult for one man to know the law but the fact remains that the buck stops with the President and he must be held accountable and he must hold those who are part of the administration responsible for their actions.

    To read the article go to http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/18/AR2007061800809.html?
     
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    Im sure they needed all their communications to be kept close to the vest so hat Al Queda couldnt find out what they were doing to fight the war on terror!

    This information is too secret to allow the likes of the American people to see because like 70% dont support the Iraq war anymore so they are with the terroists.

    "If you aint with us your against us"

    The American people are the enemy now.
     
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    or to put it in my view.
    The neocons are the enemy of the USA and needed to hide their actions from the legal government.
     
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    Funny how some will justify anything to keep lying to the American people huh usc?
     
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    Generally a good post, Edward. I disagree about the "clearly" part, but the problem is most certainly disconcerting and worthy of investigation and probably a judicial determination if the PRA was violated.

    This is not just a problem with the numerous government employees who used the RNC e-mail server, but also goes back to the lost e-mails some time back. Government communications should be routed through a central server(s) so that the central server(s) can archive communication both incoming and outgoing. Aside from the obvious benefit for government transparency, this would also be a valuable backup in case of enterprise failures.

    Another problem comes from our variety of communications gear which go through different provider networks before hitting the government servers. I'm speaking specifically of portable devices like laptops, handhelds and even modern multifunction phones like the Blackberry. These systems connect through any number of service providers depending on their geographic location at time of connection, or through different national providers depending on service platform. End-to-end security is not yet feasible for such devices (well, portable computers can establish fairly secure VPN's but that's beyond the scope of most handhelds and phones).

    What kind of security policy can we consider for hte government when smaller entities haven't found a way to handle the logistics of this very problem on a much smaller scale?

    Again, I think this is an issue which definitely needs addressed, and I think that how it is addressed will most definitely affect how transparent our government is, as well as how efficiently it can function.
     
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    The problem with these people is that they think they and those who voted for them are better than us and our families including those whom we elect to represent us. They have a problem when our representatives actually try to represent our interests and to do something about them and their representatives violating our rights and the rights of our representatives. The Bush administration has attempted to keep the rest of us from knowing what is going on, and worst has attempted to PREVENT US FROM CONFIRMING U.S. ATTORNEYS BY MAKING UNCONSITUTIONAL INTERIM APPOINTMENTS AS A RESULT OF THE UNCONSTITUTIONAL U.S. PATRIOT SUPPORTED BY THE FACTION THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION REPRESENTS. These people don't even support the constitution they use to violate our rights and had we not fought to have some of our rights enumerated in the Constitution they would do as they planned to do then which is violate our rights and to keep us from making decisions about our own government. The only provisions of the Constitution they support are those that benefit their faction (i.e., this faction was led by Alexander Hamilton in the 1780's). When you realize that these are the same kind of people that prevented the Constitution from being voted on and accepted by the people instead preferring that members of their faction ratify it in special conventions where the people were not welcome we can see why they think that they do not need to have Congress confirm U.S. Attorneys.
     
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    It's not so much the legal government that they are trying to hide their actions from instead it is from those of us who they think they are better than that they are trying to hide their actions from including our representatives. When you look at the issue dis-passionately you can only conclude that the reason the Constitution was strongly supported by this faction at that time and why it was opposed by liberals and those who believed in self-government was because there was a difference in the opinion liberals held of the people and our rights and the opinion held by conservatives who felt the British form of government was the best the world had and that we should duplicate it which we did and which many of our forefathers warned was a mistake but the conservatives won in 1789 and yet we were able to successfully get a Bill of Rights which we should be grateful for since we weren't represented at the Constitutional Convention since those of us who were more liberal left that body which met in secret to commit treason against the people. It wasn't an open meeting where the people could hear what was discussed, and the people did not have a say in what went into the Constitution and ultimately the people DIDN'T EVEN GET TO VOTE ON IT because those who supported it decided that we should not have that right. Ironically, the only time the people voted on it in Rhode Island it was rejected and it was only after these cocksuckers decided to hold a convention of like minded fuckers that they were able to ratify it and to deprive us of our rights and to restore the system of government we had fought against.
     
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    The Bush administration has, particularly since 9/11, attempted to take on the role of unitary executive and relegate the courts and Congress to little more than advisory functions. In other words, establish a dictatorship. Bush, Cheney, <i>et al</i> clearly see themselves as being above the law and even a law unto themselves, so it should come as no surprise to anyone that they have run afoul of the law, and have done so on numerous occasions.
     
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    im all for an investigation, but what are the chances, liberals will be just as tough on one of their own, not likely.

     
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    How tough were repubs on their own for the last six years... or the six years before that?

    Oh yeah... they weren't.
     

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