Build pond on your own land,get thrown in prison

[daws101]

total bullshit.. slapdick.

Na, you speak in fallacy... Lol

The towering symbols of a fading religion, over 14,000 wind turbines, abandoned, rusting, slowly decaying. When it is time to clean up after a failed idea, no green environmentalists are to be found. Wind was free, natural, harnessing Earth’s bounty for the benefit of all mankind, sounded like a good idea. Wind turbines, like solar panels, break down. They produce less energy before they break down than the energy it took to make them. The wind does not blow all the time, or even most of the time. When it is not blowing, they require full-time backup from conventional power plants.

Without government subsidy, they are unaffordable. With governments facing financial troubles, the subsidies are unaffordable. It was a nice dream, a very expensive dream, but it didn’t work.

California had the “big three” of wind farm locations — Altamont Pass, Tehachapi, and San Gorgonio, considered the world’s best wind sites. California’s wind farms, almost 80% of the world’s wind generation capacity ceased to generate even more quickly than Kamaoa Wind Farm in Hawaii. There are five other abandoned wind farms in Hawaii. When they are abandoned, getting the turbines removed is a major problem. They are highly unsightly, and they are huge, and that’s a lot of material to get rid of.

Unfortunately the same areas that are good for siting wind farms are a natural pass for migrating birds. Altamont’s turbines have been shut down four months out of every year for migrating birds after environmentalists filed suit. According to the Golden Gate Audubon Society 75-110 Golden Eagles, 380 Burrowing Owls, 300 Red-Tailed Hawks and 333 American Kestrels are killed by the turbines every year. An Alameda County Community Development Agency study points to 10,000 annual bird deaths from Altamont wind turbines. The Audubon Society makes up numbers like the EPA, but there’s a reason why they call them bird Cuisinarts.

Palm Springs has enacted an ordinance requiring their removal from San Gorgonio Pass, but unless something else changes abandoned turbines will remain a rotting eyesores, or the taxpayers who have already paid through the nose for overpriced energy and crony-capitalist tax scams will have to foot the bill for their removal.

President Obama’s offshore wind farms will be far more expensive than those sited in California’s ideal wind locations. Salt water is far more damaging than sun and rain, and offshore turbines don’t last as long. But nice tax scams for his crony-capitalist backers will work well as long as he can blame it all on saving the planet.

link ?

14,000 Abandoned Wind Turbines Litter the United States

non credible source, fail.

Na, Proof is wind energy is a joke

you have none.

 

[Rustic]

total bullshit.. slapdick.

Na, you speak in fallacy... Lol

The towering symbols of a fading religion, over 14,000 wind turbines, abandoned, rusting, slowly decaying. When it is time to clean up after a failed idea, no green environmentalists are to be found. Wind was free, natural, harnessing Earth’s bounty for the benefit of all mankind, sounded like a good idea. Wind turbines, like solar panels, break down. They produce less energy before they break down than the energy it took to make them. The wind does not blow all the time, or even most of the time. When it is not blowing, they require full-time backup from conventional power plants.

Without government subsidy, they are unaffordable. With governments facing financial troubles, the subsidies are unaffordable. It was a nice dream, a very expensive dream, but it didn’t work.

California had the “big three” of wind farm locations — Altamont Pass, Tehachapi, and San Gorgonio, considered the world’s best wind sites. California’s wind farms, almost 80% of the world’s wind generation capacity ceased to generate even more quickly than Kamaoa Wind Farm in Hawaii. There are five other abandoned wind farms in Hawaii. When they are abandoned, getting the turbines removed is a major problem. They are highly unsightly, and they are huge, and that’s a lot of material to get rid of.

Unfortunately the same areas that are good for siting wind farms are a natural pass for migrating birds. Altamont’s turbines have been shut down four months out of every year for migrating birds after environmentalists filed suit. According to the Golden Gate Audubon Society 75-110 Golden Eagles, 380 Burrowing Owls, 300 Red-Tailed Hawks and 333 American Kestrels are killed by the turbines every year. An Alameda County Community Development Agency study points to 10,000 annual bird deaths from Altamont wind turbines. The Audubon Society makes up numbers like the EPA, but there’s a reason why they call them bird Cuisinarts.

Palm Springs has enacted an ordinance requiring their removal from San Gorgonio Pass, but unless something else changes abandoned turbines will remain a rotting eyesores, or the taxpayers who have already paid through the nose for overpriced energy and crony-capitalist tax scams will have to foot the bill for their removal.

President Obama’s offshore wind farms will be far more expensive than those sited in California’s ideal wind locations. Salt water is far more damaging than sun and rain, and offshore turbines don’t last as long. But nice tax scams for his crony-capitalist backers will work well as long as he can blame it all on saving the planet.

link ?

14,000 Abandoned Wind Turbines Litter the United States

Yeah but they weren't abandoned before they made some very shady people quite rich..including a judge (now retired) I know in Oregon.

I'm just glad no one shady gets rich off oil.

Fossil fuels are consistant, affordable and can be relied on, The same cannot be said for so-called renewable energy. Dip shit

 

[daws101]

Na, you speak in fallacy... Lol

The towering symbols of a fading religion, over 14,000 wind turbines, abandoned, rusting, slowly decaying. When it is time to clean up after a failed idea, no green environmentalists are to be found. Wind was free, natural, harnessing Earth’s bounty for the benefit of all mankind, sounded like a good idea. Wind turbines, like solar panels, break down. They produce less energy before they break down than the energy it took to make them. The wind does not blow all the time, or even most of the time. When it is not blowing, they require full-time backup from conventional power plants.

Without government subsidy, they are unaffordable. With governments facing financial troubles, the subsidies are unaffordable. It was a nice dream, a very expensive dream, but it didn’t work.

California had the “big three” of wind farm locations — Altamont Pass, Tehachapi, and San Gorgonio, considered the world’s best wind sites. California’s wind farms, almost 80% of the world’s wind generation capacity ceased to generate even more quickly than Kamaoa Wind Farm in Hawaii. There are five other abandoned wind farms in Hawaii. When they are abandoned, getting the turbines removed is a major problem. They are highly unsightly, and they are huge, and that’s a lot of material to get rid of.

Unfortunately the same areas that are good for siting wind farms are a natural pass for migrating birds. Altamont’s turbines have been shut down four months out of every year for migrating birds after environmentalists filed suit. According to the Golden Gate Audubon Society 75-110 Golden Eagles, 380 Burrowing Owls, 300 Red-Tailed Hawks and 333 American Kestrels are killed by the turbines every year. An Alameda County Community Development Agency study points to 10,000 annual bird deaths from Altamont wind turbines. The Audubon Society makes up numbers like the EPA, but there’s a reason why they call them bird Cuisinarts.

Palm Springs has enacted an ordinance requiring their removal from San Gorgonio Pass, but unless something else changes abandoned turbines will remain a rotting eyesores, or the taxpayers who have already paid through the nose for overpriced energy and crony-capitalist tax scams will have to foot the bill for their removal.

President Obama’s offshore wind farms will be far more expensive than those sited in California’s ideal wind locations. Salt water is far more damaging than sun and rain, and offshore turbines don’t last as long. But nice tax scams for his crony-capitalist backers will work well as long as he can blame it all on saving the planet.

link ?

14,000 Abandoned Wind Turbines Litter the United States

Yeah but they weren't abandoned before they made some very shady people quite rich..including a judge (now retired) I know in Oregon.

I'm just glad no one shady gets rich off oil.

The difference, which you are too stupid to appreciate, is that people actually use oil. It has a purpose. It provides inexpensive energy and jobs to many, many, many people.

The windmills don't do that, though the shysters like to pretend they do.

bullshit! oil is extremely expensive to produce ,
it's toxic and finite.
as always you lose.

 

[Rustic]

Na, you speak in fallacy... Lol

The towering symbols of a fading religion, over 14,000 wind turbines, abandoned, rusting, slowly decaying. When it is time to clean up after a failed idea, no green environmentalists are to be found. Wind was free, natural, harnessing Earth’s bounty for the benefit of all mankind, sounded like a good idea. Wind turbines, like solar panels, break down. They produce less energy before they break down than the energy it took to make them. The wind does not blow all the time, or even most of the time. When it is not blowing, they require full-time backup from conventional power plants.

Without government subsidy, they are unaffordable. With governments facing financial troubles, the subsidies are unaffordable. It was a nice dream, a very expensive dream, but it didn’t work.

California had the “big three” of wind farm locations — Altamont Pass, Tehachapi, and San Gorgonio, considered the world’s best wind sites. California’s wind farms, almost 80% of the world’s wind generation capacity ceased to generate even more quickly than Kamaoa Wind Farm in Hawaii. There are five other abandoned wind farms in Hawaii. When they are abandoned, getting the turbines removed is a major problem. They are highly unsightly, and they are huge, and that’s a lot of material to get rid of.

Unfortunately the same areas that are good for siting wind farms are a natural pass for migrating birds. Altamont’s turbines have been shut down four months out of every year for migrating birds after environmentalists filed suit. According to the Golden Gate Audubon Society 75-110 Golden Eagles, 380 Burrowing Owls, 300 Red-Tailed Hawks and 333 American Kestrels are killed by the turbines every year. An Alameda County Community Development Agency study points to 10,000 annual bird deaths from Altamont wind turbines. The Audubon Society makes up numbers like the EPA, but there’s a reason why they call them bird Cuisinarts.

Palm Springs has enacted an ordinance requiring their removal from San Gorgonio Pass, but unless something else changes abandoned turbines will remain a rotting eyesores, or the taxpayers who have already paid through the nose for overpriced energy and crony-capitalist tax scams will have to foot the bill for their removal.

President Obama’s offshore wind farms will be far more expensive than those sited in California’s ideal wind locations. Salt water is far more damaging than sun and rain, and offshore turbines don’t last as long. But nice tax scams for his crony-capitalist backers will work well as long as he can blame it all on saving the planet.

link ?

14,000 Abandoned Wind Turbines Litter the United States

non credible source, fail.

Na, Proof is wind energy is a joke

you have none.

Na, while solar is far ahead of wind as a reliable, consistent affordable energy it is still decades away from a sure thing. You go right ahead and use your renewable energy the rest of us will you something that's affordable consistent and reliable like fossil feels. LOL
... Silly control freaks

 

[daws101]

Na, you speak in fallacy... Lol

The towering symbols of a fading religion, over 14,000 wind turbines, abandoned, rusting, slowly decaying. When it is time to clean up after a failed idea, no green environmentalists are to be found. Wind was free, natural, harnessing Earth’s bounty for the benefit of all mankind, sounded like a good idea. Wind turbines, like solar panels, break down. They produce less energy before they break down than the energy it took to make them. The wind does not blow all the time, or even most of the time. When it is not blowing, they require full-time backup from conventional power plants.

Without government subsidy, they are unaffordable. With governments facing financial troubles, the subsidies are unaffordable. It was a nice dream, a very expensive dream, but it didn’t work.

California had the “big three” of wind farm locations — Altamont Pass, Tehachapi, and San Gorgonio, considered the world’s best wind sites. California’s wind farms, almost 80% of the world’s wind generation capacity ceased to generate even more quickly than Kamaoa Wind Farm in Hawaii. There are five other abandoned wind farms in Hawaii. When they are abandoned, getting the turbines removed is a major problem. They are highly unsightly, and they are huge, and that’s a lot of material to get rid of.

Unfortunately the same areas that are good for siting wind farms are a natural pass for migrating birds. Altamont’s turbines have been shut down four months out of every year for migrating birds after environmentalists filed suit. According to the Golden Gate Audubon Society 75-110 Golden Eagles, 380 Burrowing Owls, 300 Red-Tailed Hawks and 333 American Kestrels are killed by the turbines every year. An Alameda County Community Development Agency study points to 10,000 annual bird deaths from Altamont wind turbines. The Audubon Society makes up numbers like the EPA, but there’s a reason why they call them bird Cuisinarts.

Palm Springs has enacted an ordinance requiring their removal from San Gorgonio Pass, but unless something else changes abandoned turbines will remain a rotting eyesores, or the taxpayers who have already paid through the nose for overpriced energy and crony-capitalist tax scams will have to foot the bill for their removal.

President Obama’s offshore wind farms will be far more expensive than those sited in California’s ideal wind locations. Salt water is far more damaging than sun and rain, and offshore turbines don’t last as long. But nice tax scams for his crony-capitalist backers will work well as long as he can blame it all on saving the planet.

link ?

14,000 Abandoned Wind Turbines Litter the United States

Yeah but they weren't abandoned before they made some very shady people quite rich..including a judge (now retired) I know in Oregon.

I'm just glad no one shady gets rich off oil.

Fossil fuels are consistant, affordable and can be relied on, The same cannot be said for so-called renewable energy. Dip shit

bullshit ! the so called low price of fossil fuels is superseded by their effect on the environment.
the most ironic thing about you and kosher hags' "argument" is it exactly the same as the whale oil business said about fossil fuels.

 

[Rustic]

link ?

14,000 Abandoned Wind Turbines Litter the United States

Yeah but they weren't abandoned before they made some very shady people quite rich..including a judge (now retired) I know in Oregon.

I'm just glad no one shady gets rich off oil.

The difference, which you are too stupid to appreciate, is that people actually use oil. It has a purpose. It provides inexpensive energy and jobs to many, many, many people.

The windmills don't do that, though the shysters like to pretend they do.

bullshit! oil is extremely expensive to produce ,
it's toxic and finite.
as always you lose.

Proof?

 

[daws101]

link ?

14,000 Abandoned Wind Turbines Litter the United States

non credible source, fail.

Na, Proof is wind energy is a joke

you have none.

Na, while solar is far ahead of wind as a reliable, consistent affordable energy it is still decades away from a sure thing. You go right ahead and use your renewable energy the rest of us will you something that's affordable consistent and reliable like fossil feels. LOL
... Silly control freaks

propaganda ,,,fail..

 

[Fenton Lum]

14,000 Abandoned Wind Turbines Litter the United States

Yeah but they weren't abandoned before they made some very shady people quite rich..including a judge (now retired) I know in Oregon.

I'm just glad no one shady gets rich off oil.

The difference, which you are too stupid to appreciate, is that people actually use oil. It has a purpose. It provides inexpensive energy and jobs to many, many, many people.

The windmills don't do that, though the shysters like to pretend they do.

bullshit! oil is extremely expensive to produce ,
it's toxic and finite.
as always you lose.

Proof?

Why bother, you've already rejected it along with reality.

 

[Rustic]

link ?

14,000 Abandoned Wind Turbines Litter the United States

Yeah but they weren't abandoned before they made some very shady people quite rich..including a judge (now retired) I know in Oregon.

I'm just glad no one shady gets rich off oil.

Fossil fuels are consistant, affordable and can be relied on, The same cannot be said for so-called renewable energy. Dip shit

bullshit ! the so called low price of fossil fuels is superseded by their effect on the environment.
the most ironic thing about you and kosher hags' "argument" is it exactly the same as the whale oil business said about fossil fuels.

You go ahead and drive your Prius, I don't give a shit. I will drive what I want to drive - none of your fucking business - control freak.
That's the funny thing, all of these fucking greeny control freaks want to tell everyone else what to do all along being totally hypocrites in their own lives - all fucking morons… LOL

 

[Rustic]

Yeah but they weren't abandoned before they made some very shady people quite rich..including a judge (now retired) I know in Oregon.

I'm just glad no one shady gets rich off oil.

The difference, which you are too stupid to appreciate, is that people actually use oil. It has a purpose. It provides inexpensive energy and jobs to many, many, many people.

The windmills don't do that, though the shysters like to pretend they do.

bullshit! oil is extremely expensive to produce ,
it's toxic and finite.
as always you lose.

Proof?

Why bother, you've already rejected it along with reality.

 

[daws101]

14,000 Abandoned Wind Turbines Litter the United States

Yeah but they weren't abandoned before they made some very shady people quite rich..including a judge (now retired) I know in Oregon.

I'm just glad no one shady gets rich off oil.

The difference, which you are too stupid to appreciate, is that people actually use oil. It has a purpose. It provides inexpensive energy and jobs to many, many, many people.

The windmills don't do that, though the shysters like to pretend they do.

bullshit! oil is extremely expensive to produce ,
it's toxic and finite.
as always you lose.

Proof?

What does it cost in energy terms to bring a unit of energy into the economy? How much energy do you spend to get a barrel of oil out of the ground into a refinery, through a pipeline, and delivered?" said Eric Zencey, a fellow with the Gund Institute for Ecological Economics at the University of Vermont.

Within the field, this calculation is called: Energy Return on Investment, or EROI.

"Back in the 1920's, oil was paying off at 100-to-1," said Zencey. "It took one barrel of oil to extract, process, refine, ship and deliver 100 barrels of oil. That's a phenomenal rate of return. If you work out the percentage, that's a 10,000 percent rate of return."

But that's not the rate of return today. Now, conventional oil production worldwide pays off at about a 20-to-1 ratio. And in Canada, where the oil comes from tar sands, it's closer to 5-to-1.

"Renewable energy sources are paying off at higher rates, 12-to-1, 15-to-1, 17-to-1. That tells you right there, hmmmm, the age of oil should be over."

A few problems with that though… Calculating these figures is complicated and estimates fluctuate. One researcher I spoke with, Carey King at the Center for International Energy and Environmental Policy at the University of Texas at Austin, said he can look at the same wind farm and calculate a payoff of 20-to-1 or 4-to-1. He can also make the numbers dance for oil too, by the way. It depends on if he factors in things like salaries, taxes, or subsidies. Or, how the energy is actually delivered to the source where it's used, or rather, the calculation for that.

The Energy Costs of Oil Production

Effects of Crude Oil Exposure
Effects of Crude Oil Exposure to Children, Adults, and Pregnant Mothers
By: Paul Goldstein, Ph.D., Professor of Toxicology



Crude Oil has been pouring into the Gulf of Mexico and is causing numerous and significant health issues for children, pregnant mothers, and adults. Exposure occurs via inhalation, ingestion (of liquid droplets in the air), and direct skin contact. Some of the health effects will be long-term sequelae and may last a lifetime or affect future generations. Crude oil is a known teratogen and can cause birth defects and changes in fetal development. The target organs for crude oil are the hematopoietic (blood forming) system, lymphatic system, nervous system, and reproductive system. The Benzene component is a known carcinogen.

Health Effects on Children and Pregnant Mothers

Any chemical that can cross the placenta influences the development of the embryo and fetus. This is particularly true at the time when cells are dividing and differentiating into specific tissues of the nervous, circulatory, and immune systems. According to the World Health Organization, the embryo, fetus, or child is particularly sensitive to even minute concentrations of toxic chemicals. Crude oil and its components are known teratogens and cause birth defects, changes in fetal development, and decreased fetal survival.

Health Effects on Adults

Breathing the fumes from crude oil are known to cause chemical pneumonia, irritation of the nose, throat, and lungs, headache, dizziness, drowsiness, loss of coordination, fatigue, nausea, and labored breathing. Chronic exposure can result in irregular heartbeats, convulsions, and coma.

Effects of Crude Oil Exposure | AMFS

 

[daws101]

14,000 Abandoned Wind Turbines Litter the United States

Yeah but they weren't abandoned before they made some very shady people quite rich..including a judge (now retired) I know in Oregon.

I'm just glad no one shady gets rich off oil.

Fossil fuels are consistant, affordable and can be relied on, The same cannot be said for so-called renewable energy. Dip shit

bullshit ! the so called low price of fossil fuels is superseded by their effect on the environment.
the most ironic thing about you and kosher hags' "argument" is it exactly the same as the whale oil business said about fossil fuels.

You go ahead and drive your Prius, I don't give a shit. I will drive what I want to drive - none of your fucking business - control freak.
That's the funny thing, all of these fucking greeny control freaks want to tell everyone else what to do all along being totally hypocrites in their own lives - all fucking morons… LOL

I win.

 

[Fenton Lum]

14,000 Abandoned Wind Turbines Litter the United States

Yeah but they weren't abandoned before they made some very shady people quite rich..including a judge (now retired) I know in Oregon.

I'm just glad no one shady gets rich off oil.

Fossil fuels are consistant, affordable and can be relied on, The same cannot be said for so-called renewable energy. Dip shit

bullshit ! the so called low price of fossil fuels is superseded by their effect on the environment.
the most ironic thing about you and kosher hags' "argument" is it exactly the same as the whale oil business said about fossil fuels.

You go ahead and drive your Prius, I don't give a shit. I will drive what I want to drive - none of your fucking business - control freak.
That's the funny thing, all of these fucking greeny control freaks want to tell everyone else what to do all along being totally hypocrites in their own lives - all fucking morons… LOL

No one gives a fuck what you drive now that you've driven yourself batshit crazy.

 

[Rustic]

While I don't care what anyone drives one way or another, only pussy whipped control freaks care what the next guy drives.
...pro choice baby

 

[Fenton Lum]

While I don't care what anyone drives one way or another, only pussy whipped control freaks care what the next guy drives.
...pro choice baby

I choose to be nothing like you, celebrate it.

 

[Rustic]

Yeah but they weren't abandoned before they made some very shady people quite rich..including a judge (now retired) I know in Oregon.

I'm just glad no one shady gets rich off oil.

Fossil fuels are consistant, affordable and can be relied on, The same cannot be said for so-called renewable energy. Dip shit

bullshit ! the so called low price of fossil fuels is superseded by their effect on the environment.
the most ironic thing about you and kosher hags' "argument" is it exactly the same as the whale oil business said about fossil fuels.

You go ahead and drive your Prius, I don't give a shit. I will drive what I want to drive - none of your fucking business - control freak.
That's the funny thing, all of these fucking greeny control freaks want to tell everyone else what to do all along being totally hypocrites in their own lives - all fucking morons… LOL

I win.

I know... You sound pussy whipped
Lol

 

[daws101]

While I don't care what anyone drives one way or another, only pussy whipped control freaks care what the next guy drives.
...pro choice baby

if you don't care why the spoiled child tantrums and the deflections ?

 

[Fenton Lum]

I'm just glad no one shady gets rich off oil.

Fossil fuels are consistant, affordable and can be relied on, The same cannot be said for so-called renewable energy. Dip shit

bullshit ! the so called low price of fossil fuels is superseded by their effect on the environment.
the most ironic thing about you and kosher hags' "argument" is it exactly the same as the whale oil business said about fossil fuels.

You go ahead and drive your Prius, I don't give a shit. I will drive what I want to drive - none of your fucking business - control freak.
That's the funny thing, all of these fucking greeny control freaks want to tell everyone else what to do all along being totally hypocrites in their own lives - all fucking morons… LOL

I win.

I know... You sound pussy whipped
Lol

Jr Highish at best.

 

[daws101]

I'm just glad no one shady gets rich off oil.

Fossil fuels are consistant, affordable and can be relied on, The same cannot be said for so-called renewable energy. Dip shit

bullshit ! the so called low price of fossil fuels is superseded by their effect on the environment.
the most ironic thing about you and kosher hags' "argument" is it exactly the same as the whale oil business said about fossil fuels.

You go ahead and drive your Prius, I don't give a shit. I will drive what I want to drive - none of your fucking business - control freak.
That's the funny thing, all of these fucking greeny control freaks want to tell everyone else what to do all along being totally hypocrites in their own lives - all fucking morons… LOL

I win.

I know... You sound pussy whipped
Lol

I win again, due to your false allegations.
bet you are stomping your feet right now!

 

[HUGGY]

Joe Robertson Gets Ambushed At Sentencing - The Montana Redoubt

Land of the free folks! I would be shocked if this stands it's so ridiculous

Robertson is a fool and so are his "supporters". He got himself an idiot for a lawyer. (read the article). His Lawyer allowed a forest service employee on the jury! Incredible! If he had a decent lawyer he would have had his case removed from being tried by that judge! He and his supporters dug their own grave by their stupidity. Bad lawyers = bad outcomes!