B’Tselem report delivers blow to narrative that November attack on Gaza was ‘surgical

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    B’Tselem report delivers blow to narrative that November attack on Gaza was ‘surgical’


    B'Tselem report delivers blow to narrative that November attack on Gaza was 'surgical'

    Here is the discussion of Btselem about one unlawful attack.

    http://www.btselem.org/download/201305_pillar_of_defense_operation_eng.pdf


    Btselem issues its report on Operation Pillar Of Defense, finding Israel killed 167 Palestinians and over half of those killed were civilians. And Btselem addresses violations of international law carried out by Israel in these killings of civilians that relate to unlawful targetings of civilians under the provisions of the fourth geneva convention.

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    Compared to cast lead, we held ourselves quite well, I believe.
     
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    Btselem conducted investigations of all instances in which Palestinians were killed by the Israeli military in the course of the campaign. There were 92 such incidents, with 51 of these incidents caused the death of the 87 Palestinians who did not take part in the hostilities. The report addresses findings of nine of B’Tselem’s investigations of incidents that suggest that the military acted in violation of the law.


    http://www.btselem.org/download/201305_pillar_of_defense_operation_eng.pdf
     
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    so? since when was war an exact science?-

    interestingly enough---neither is SURGERY

    very often it is also a BLOODY MESS ---
    in fact,, it is almost always a bloody mess

    At the point that the surgeon picks up his
    scapel----is the point at which the physician
    has failed

    only an idiot would dispute the term "surgical" attack
    with the claim that IT WAS NOT 'surgical' ---because
    there was blood. anyone here ever see a bloodless
    surgery? Anyone here ever see a surgery that did
    not violate some healthy tissue?
     
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    Oh, it's a good guess that the strikes were, indeed, precise and surgical.

    Given that the Palestinians routinely and callously park their rocketry and other military assets in close proximity to civilian populations, when you make omelettes over there, yer gonna break a few eggs.

    By 'precise' and 'surgical' I'm sure they mean that they got the Bad Guys and a handful of others nearby but did not rack up hundreds or thousands or civilian collateral-casualties as a less-precise and less-accuracy-motivated Retaliator might... :eusa_think:

    Don't want ANY civilian casualties?

    There's a simple solution.

    Stop launching rockets, etc., against the Israelis.

    Problem solved.
     
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    Btselem concludes the opposite to you. As they have expertise in investigating human rights abuses and you have none, I will accept their conclusions and reject yours. They carried out investigations in every case in which individuals not participating in the hostilities were killed. Israel has an obligation to comply with international law and not target civilians and civilian objects.
     
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    Holy mackeral. Sure sounds like this would be a great time to save the lives of Palestinians by the Palestinians apologizing to Israel for their rocket missile attacks & publically ending their vow to annihilate Israel.

    But then, Palestinians will be Palestinians. When you're already in a hole --- keep on diggin'.



     
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    I am noting criticism over this report in comments of posters on Mondoweiss. We used to see stronger words used when war crimes were found. Censorship in Israeli society is I expect the explanation for this.
     
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    Are you insane? A Palestinian boy is masacred as he works in his lemon and citrus groves and you want Palestinians to apologize. Some Israelis need to stand trial in the Hague for the war crime committed in the killing of this child.
     
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    HUH? mondoweiss is a propaganda site. why would you want to
    use propaganda sites? I avoid them completely---- I do not even
    quote fine scholars like Robert Spencer ---simply because he writes
    carrying the family legacy of being a catholic in Turkey----which is really
    not all that much a horror as being christian in most other
    islamic lands (my information about turkey is partly derived
    from a brother-in-law born there---if he writes a book----I will not
    quote that here either) What sort of censorship do they have in
    "israeli society" are they knocking out access to the internet?
     

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