Britain has universal health care, but they just can't get treated...

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    Way to misrepresent my point!

    Simply put - no system is perfect.

    There's plenty of IMPACT on the quality of service if you can't afford said service.
    Brits still have the option of private insurance, just the same as the US.
    The difference is that they have the backup option of free healthcare (flawed or not) if they don't have/want or can't afford insurance.
     
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    According to the argument of the OP and others "the sorry assholes that don't want to pay their own bills" aren't very happy at all because the service is shit.

    I think you'll find that "The people that have to pay the health care bills for the sorry assholes" are generally happy with the arrangement.
     
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    Ask a Brit how they feel about The National Health and they will not smile. Whether or not that has anything to with doctors or hospitals is an open question. But it's plain (when a mouth is accidentally opened) that the failure of folks to smile speaks volumes about the quality of nationalized dental work. Note, I was careful not to say: "dental 'care'!
     
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    That's because your "point" is specious. No American is denied service. They use the ER's, which we taxpayers pay for. As usual you seem to think that insurance equals care. That is flat wrong. All insurance represents is a way to pay for the service. As we see in every socialized medical system, the care givers are few in number because they aren't paid a commensurate wage based on their skill levels.

    Canada has terrible rates of care for the smaller communities. Even in the larger communities the wait times for essential cancer operations is eight months. We have a wing at Renown Hospital, here in Reno, that is called little Canada because of all of the people coming here to PAY for care that they would have to wait for. A wait that would result in their deaths in many cases.
     
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    I don't think so but if you want to have that Moon Bat delusion then go ahead. Nobody likes to be forced by the filthy oppressive government to have to pay other people's bills.
     
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    If you buy insurance then you already pay other people's bills.
     
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    OP is a lie as usual.

    A spokesman said the figures were "not typical" and "represent the extreme end of the waiting time spectrum".

    There are issues with the NHS but they are being caused by the conservative zealots who run our government. They are wedded to privatisation because of shit ideology and the fact that they all have finanacial interests in healthcare companies.

    That being said our healthcare is still better than the US and nobody in the UK ever went bankrupt for getting sick.

    The U.S. health care system has been rated the worst (by far) among high-income nations

    Do Medical Bills Really Bankrupt America's Families?

    Mirror, Mirror 2017: International Comparison Reflects Flaws and Opportunities for Better U.S. Health Care

    The United States spends far more on health care than other high-income countries, with spending levels that rose continuously over the past three decades (Exhibit 1). Yet the U.S. population has poorer health than other countries. 1 Life expectancy, after improving for several decades, worsened in recent years for some populations, aggravated by the opioid crisis. 2 In addition, as the baby boom population ages, more people in the U.S.—and all over the world—are living with age-related disabilities and chronic disease, placing pressure on health care systems to respond.

    Timely and accessible health care could mitigate many of these challenges, but the U.S. health care system falls short, failing to deliver indicated services reliably to all who could benefit. 3 In particular, poor access to primary care has contributed to inadequate prevention and management of chronic diseases, delayed diagnoses, incomplete adherence to treatments, wasteful overuse of drugs and technologies, and coordination and safety problems.

    So please, do me a favour. If you want to bankrupt the sick and kill the poor, dont use us as justification.
     
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    Its not rocket science is it ?
     
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    You are confused.

    Insurance is voluntary and you are putting yourself in a pool of paying customers where the premiums reflect the risk. You don't pay the premiums you don't get the coverage. You buy the policy that gives you the protection against risk that you need.

    Much different than a filthy ass socialist program where it is mandatory, poorly run by the government, tremendous cost to tax payers and you get health care whether you pay for it or not. That is just wrong.
     
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    First of all, there is NOTHING more absolutely dense than the ignorance between the ears of a bed wetting libturd, and there is absolutely ZERO "thinking" happening in their skulls. These are the dumbest mother fuckers on the planet.

    Like the sort of piece of shit that believes they're saving the fuckin planet by driving slow in the fast lane, to keep everyone else from burning more fuel than they should be by going the speed limit or slightly higher. These assholes reduce the quality of life for the rest of us because they're totally consumed with stupid.

    Anyone who has dealt with the VA can testify that the quality of the "free" service they provide is generally piss poor.

    That's the standard....

    Piss poor.

    There are some who are perfectly content with it, they're either getting above standard service for one reason or another, while most people are stuck with your average piss poor and just deal with it and there are those who get even less quality service if they get any at all and THEY DIE.

    THEY'RE DEAD NOW.

    They served the country, survived COMBAT, you know, mother fuckers shooting at them, launching mortars at them, trying to blow them up any way possible. They survived THAT only to die waiting for government benefits THEY EARNED.

    If something is "free" it's either worthless, or there is a reason someone wants to "give it away". No one gives away anything of value unless there is something coming back in return.

    Period, and the least charitable fuckers on earth are these sniveling, servile, bed wetting, mindless, stupid mother fucking pieces of shit we call "liberals".


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