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As a matter of fact, Iran has a great reputation for quality scientists.Didn't Iran say they found a cure to AIDS a few years ago?
Not that a cure wouldn't be welcome no matter where it came from, but what're the odds there are better scientists in Iran, High Gravity?
Didn't Iran say they found a cure to AIDS a few years ago?
Not that a cure wouldn't be welcome no matter where it came from, but what're the odds there are better scientists in Iran, High Gravity?
Zoom, the ES cell lines approved for research during the funding ban were from excess embryos from in vitro fertilization. As long as the parents/'owners' of those embryos approved of their disposal and/or use in research along with comprehensive consent, they became part of the approved line.O c'mon, Zoom-boing. We transplant the organs of the dead; it isn't the "formerly human" character of stem cells that upsets you.
And the donors sign a card saying 'yes, use my organs for the living'. An aborted human never gets asked if they want to die to do this. 'Formerly human'?? From the moment of conception, what is growing inside a woman's uterus is human life. Zygote to 100 years old born. . . . all stages of human life, one no more or less 'human' than another.
I have no idea, do you?
If not, I fail to see why preventing science from saving lives is the higher moral attitude to be taking. How is more "respectful" to throw away potentially life-saving matter?
Sad that that's how you see a human being that has be ripped from the womb.
I think you and the blue whackjob are talking about fetal stem cells, which are not the same thing as ES cells. They are far more differentiated.
O c'mon, Zoom-boing. We transplant the organs of the dead; it isn't the "formerly human" character of stem cells that upsets you.
And the donors sign a card saying 'yes, use my organs for the living'. An aborted human never gets asked if they want to die to do this. 'Formerly human'?? From the moment of conception, what is growing inside a woman's uterus is human life. Zygote to 100 years old born. . . . all stages of human life, one no more or less 'human' than another.
I have no idea, do you?
If not, I fail to see why preventing science from saving lives is the higher moral attitude to be taking. How is more "respectful" to throw away potentially life-saving matter?
Sad that that's how you see a human being that has be ripped from the womb.
Are we gonna debate abortion rights again? I'm game, but to what end? Ever known anyone to alter their POV?
Back it up. Tissue removed from a human organism is not itself human. A corpse is not human. The product of an abortion is not human. These are remains, waste products or whatnot. If consent is the big deal, then why not oppose the transplanting of organs harvested from deceased children? How is the consent of their parents any different from the consent of the woman who has had an abortion?
Pardon me, Zoom-boing, but unless women are paid to abort, etc., so as to produce these stem cells -- which I think we can agree is unlikely -- the argument seems to me to be life saving science versus misplaced sentimentality. The abortion happened without regard to the stem cells, so why is discarding them the higher moral act?
this country is so fucked up you people are actually agruing about people being cured of a horrible disease.
Divide and conquer.
The monied interests own your asses
I don't imagine Zoom-boing is unhappy that a cure for AIDS may have been found, TM. And I very much doubt there are people of any income level with Parkinson's, Alzheimer's or other diseases afflicted their beloveds who do not support this research.
Money seems to me to have nothing to do with anything in this convo.
For the slow and stupid..... The premise of the argument presented by the ops was that somehow the ban on embryonic stem cells in the States delayed or would have prevented this break through. The reality is no such stem cells were needed. That the US Government funded stem cell research during the ban on embryonic stem cells.
If we authorize their use we do in fact create a market for people to abort for the money from the stem cells. Keep the ban as they are not needed.
For the slow and stupid..... The premise of the argument presented by the ops was that somehow the ban on embryonic stem cells in the States delayed or would have prevented this break through. The reality is no such stem cells were needed. That the US Government funded stem cell research during the ban on embryonic stem cells.
If we authorize their use we do in fact create a market for people to abort for the money from the stem cells. Keep the ban as they are not needed.
I don't think you fully grasp the science either, RGS. But no matter.....
Right wing definition of a "murdered child".
Isn't it amazing how right wingers want desparately to "get them born" and once they are born? Fuck 'em. Who cares? Starve the pests. If you feed them they'll "breed" (Andre Baur - GOP Leader).
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Republicans block legislation to feed more children, improve school lunches
Well, are people having abortions just to produce stem cells, or not?
this country is so fucked up you people are actually agruing about people being cured of a horrible disease.
Divide and conquer.
The monied interests own your asses
For the slow and stupid..... The premise of the argument presented by the ops was that somehow the ban on embryonic stem cells in the States delayed or would have prevented this break through. The reality is no such stem cells were needed. That the US Government funded stem cell research during the ban on embryonic stem cells.
If we authorize their use we do in fact create a market for people to abort for the money from the stem cells. Keep the ban as they are not needed.
I don't think you fully grasp the science either, RGS. But no matter.....
I UNDERSTAND this happened WITHOUT embryonic stem cells. I UNDERSTAND that lots of breakthroughs have occurred WITHOUT Embryonic Stem cells. I understand they can even trick other cells into thinking they are stem cells.
THERE IS NO NEED TO ENCOURAGE THE MURDER OF MORE CHILDREN FOR THIS.
Right wing definition of a "murdered child".
Isn't it amazing how right wingers want desparately to "get them born" and once they are born? Fuck 'em. Who cares? Starve the pests. If you feed them they'll "breed" (Andre Baur - GOP Leader).
Republicans block legislation to feed more children, improve school lunches | Markets | Market News | Canadian Business Online
Republicans block legislation to feed more children, improve school lunches
Well, are people having abortions just to produce stem cells, or not?
To even ask the question is sick.
How so?To even ask the question is sick.
If this is true, this is amazing news.