Bill Gates backs climate scientists lobbying for large-scale geoengineering

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    holy smokes
    links in article at site.


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    Other wealthy individuals have also funded a series of reports into the future use of technologies to geoengineer the climate

    • What is geo-engineering?
    • Scientists criticise handling of geoengineering pilot project



    reddit this John Vidal, environment editior
    The Guardian, Sunday 5 February 2012 Article history

    A small group of leading climate scientists, financially supported by billionaires including Bill Gates, are lobbying governments and international bodies to back experiments into manipulating the climate on a global scale to avoid catastrophic climate change.

    The scientists, who advocate geoengineering methods such as spraying millions of tonnes of reflective particles of sulphur dioxide 30 miles above earth, argue that a "plan B" for climate change will be needed if the UN and politicians cannot agree to making the necessary cuts in greenhouse gases, and say the US government and others should pay for a major programme of international research.

    Solar geoengineering techniques are highly controversial: while some climate scientists believe they may prove a quick and relatively cheap way to slow global warming, others fear that when conducted in the upper atmosphere, they could irrevocably alter rainfall patterns and interfere with the earth's climate.

    Geoengineering is opposed by many environmentalists, who say the technology could undermine efforts to reduce emissions, and by developing countries who fear it could be used as a weapon or by rich countries to their advantage. In 2010, the UN Convention on Biological Diversity declared a moratorium on experiments in the sea and space, except for small-scale scientific studies.

    Concern is now growing that the small but influential group of scientists, and their backers, may have a disproportionate effect on major decisions about geoengineering research and policy.

    "We will need to protect ourselves from vested interests [and] be sure that choices are not influenced by parties who might make significant amounts of money through a choice to modify climate, especially using proprietary intellectual property," said Jane Long, director at large for the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in the US, in a paper delivered to a recent geoengineering conference on ethics.

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    Bill Gates backs climate scientists lobbying for large-scale geoengineering | Environment | The Guardian
     
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    The k00k environmental radicals are always opposssed to anything that makes sense.


    Yet another reason they are losing.
     
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    there is no sense in having a contingency plan that could quickly cool the planet by a degree or two for a few tens of millions when we can try to cool the planet by a few hundredths or thousandths of a degree by wasting trillions of dollars on ineffective methods.
     
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    Geo-engineering is a last ditch defence. Not to be tried unless there is absolutely no alternative. And it is possible that we have reached that point. We will all know more by this coming September.
     
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    Geo-engineering at least has achance of working.
    Voluntarily going back to pre industrial times is a pipe dream
     
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    Interesting. I've been checking into his involvement with Monsanto.

    Billy's been a busy boy it seems...
     
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    I remember reading about how one of Bill Gates' idea guys figured that putting a garden hose worth of SO2 into the stratosphere would more than counteract the warming. and that was before we stopped warming at an alarming rate.

    scary idea though. especially when the last 0.7C warming and additional CO2 over the last hundred years has undoubtedly been beneficial.
     
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    Oh yeah -- I have like zero faith in mankind's ability to know what to do in the event massive and radical geoenegineering is needed.

    Anybody here ever find themselves oversteering in a skidding-car situation?

    Now multiply that simple physics problem by a factor of a trillion and make the driver deaf dumb and blind, too.

    That'll give you an idea of how prepared I think we are to make those kinds of decisions.
     
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    completely irrelevant thinking...................

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    Behold a MAC90 diesel locomotive made by EMD. There are tens of thousands of these all around the country. They MOVE our country. Without them, our country starves to death:lol::lol::lol: Meatheads like Editec, Konrad and Thunder would have them shut down TOMORROW if given the opportunity.............which of course is absurd, the idea only being embraced by fringe mental cases who have to be in a perpetual state of hysterical to feel normal. You cant haul millions of tons of freight with SMARTCARS on rails!!!:gay:


    These people live in a world of fantasy ALL the fucking time!! If the air was 99.9999 percent pure, theyd be at some fucking rally pissed off its not 100%. THATS how these mental cases think.........its a thought processing fuck up thing. They talk about all these nincumpoop hair brained idea's and never answer the question, "As compared to what?".........the common theme in any far lefties thinking!!! WHich is why in the real world, they are losing in spectacular fashion as the public looks at their goals...........a public that thankfully CAN think on the margin...........and say to themselves, "Fuck these radical assholes!!"


    Green is in the shitter................where it should be.
     
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    Speak for yourself :asshole:
     

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