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prevent hostile acts against the United States.[
Looks familiar:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-f...sage-board-posts-post1851923.html#post1851923
Nobody's gonna say anything, except for the occasional "baahhhhh."
ok look bub..check this out.....
question the government and you belong in a mental institution..plain and simple.
got it?
ok look bub..check this out.....
question the government and you belong in a mental institution..plain and simple.
got it?
Funny that is not what all the reps think now and the Dems thought 8 years ago
Seriously though I wonder how many people have actually read 1984 or remember the lessons of the past. Quite sad actually hence we are doomed to repeat ... again.
ok look bub..check this out.....
question the government and you belong in a mental institution..plain and simple.
got it?
Funny that is not what all the reps think now and the Dems thought 8 years ago
Seriously though I wonder how many people have actually read 1984 or remember the lessons of the past. Quite sad actually hence we are doomed to repeat ... again.
as long as our gods at the fed dont stop the presses we will live on for thousands of years like the romans. "our nation"
seriously... keep questioning the government and you will be targeted and set up for a botched terrorist attack.....
now shut up and stop talking about our government.. this is how the new freedom works.... get use to it.
prevent hostile acts against the United States.[
you dont support hostile attacks against the united states do you?
security trumps liberty EVERY TIME!..
its all part of the new freedom.
prevent hostile acts against the United States.[
you dont support hostile attacks against the united states do you?
security trumps liberty EVERY TIME!..
its all part of the new freedom.
HAHA, yeah, freedom is your ability to choose between McD and BK, or pepsi and coke. Americans give up their freedom when they let the media terrify them. Powdered-donut-anthrax-fearing yellow bellied yellers.
InfraGard - Public Private Partnership -Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)InfraGard is an association of businesses, academic institutions, state and local law enforcement agencies, and other participants dedicated to sharing information and intelligence to prevent hostile acts against the United States.
Here is the thing, I get twitchy when I have neighbors that are officially sanctioned to spy on me.
I get twitchy when government decides to elevate volunteers to status of watcher.
I get twitchy when government actively recruits civilians to be snitches.
As citizens of the US we should be ever vigilant for our homes, families and neighbors. That is the basis of being a good citizen. Vigilance of the population also displaces the mind numbing fear that seems to run rampant in the US.
There is no need for a program as this as they have a huge tendency to be basis for abuse and have been every time in history.
Yes I do have serious questions on many levels on this as should you. I can not force you to question this nor have I called you a sheep. It is your choice.
But let's not misunderstand our respective positions. It's ok if you do wish to call me a "sheep." You seem to be a bit on the Chicken Little side on this one.
But let's not misunderstand our respective positions. It's ok if you do wish to call me a "sheep." You seem to be a bit on the Chicken Little side on this one.
OK first and formost I have yet to call anyone a sheep, it ain't gonna happen.
How do you know it is a innocuous organization?
I sure as hell do not know that it is or it is not. What I do know from reading history books is that there is a warning triggered in my mind on the way this is being done. I have purposely steered clear of the rumors of misuse on this particular issue.
My point was to question the validity and possible repercussions of this particular program.
I happen to see a possible grave threat in it, if you do not then that is entirely your right. It is not my job to convince you either way.
It was not a brag, just a statement of fact.But let's not misunderstand our respective positions. It's ok if you do wish to call me a "sheep." You seem to be a bit on the Chicken Little side on this one.
OK first and formost I have yet to call anyone a sheep, it ain't gonna happen.
How do you know it is a innocuous organization?
I'm not the one bragging about getting "twitchy" without any evidence that it's anything BUT innocuous.
The possible repercussions that I have read about. I no longer have the books for reference. No I do not have concrete (sourced) evidence at this time. The history I speak of is from books written by Germans before and after WWII. Also books on post WWII Russia. Again I can not be specific so I am very limited in my ability to make an out and out credible accusation. On a side note it has been 30 years since I have done the reading on this.I'm not trying to mess with you, but let's get serious. Your entire thesis is that the organization is inherently dangerous. You make vague (very vague) allusions to some unknown "history," but then deny that you are actually making a claim. If you had some kind of actual evidence, you'd absolutely make a claim. But you have no evidence, so instead you walk up to the line and come THAT close to making an allegation. It amounts to a smear lacking the support of any substance.
My point was to question the validity and possible repercussions of this particular program.
If that's all you are doing, I have no issue iwth anything you're saying. But it seems that you are going quite a bit further than just sounding a general warning to the effect that such governmentally-sponsored groups could be subject to abuse.
I happen to see a possible grave threat in it, if you do not then that is entirely your right. It is not my job to convince you either way.
And now the potential threat isn't merely a potential threat, now it's a potentially "grave" threat? [Jack Nicholson, in the movie, A Few Good Men, "is there any other kind?"] A fucking application by a prosecutor to a magistrate could pose a grave threat, too. Sound the alarms.
It was not a brag, just a statement of fact.OK first and formost I have yet to call anyone a sheep, it ain't gonna happen.
How do you know it is a innocuous organization?
I'm not the one bragging about getting "twitchy" without any evidence that it's anything BUT innocuous.
The possible repercussions that I have read about. I no longer have the books for reference. No I do not have concrete (sourced) evidence at this time. The history I speak of is from books written by Germans before and after WWII. Also books on post WWII Russia. Again I can not be specific so I am very limited in my ability to make an out and out credible accusation. On a side note it has been 30 years since I have done the reading on this.
If that's all you are doing, I have no issue iwth anything you're saying. But it seems that you are going quite a bit further than just sounding a general warning to the effect that such governmentally-sponsored groups could be subject to abuse.
I happen to see a possible grave threat in it, if you do not then that is entirely your right. It is not my job to convince you either way.
And now the potential threat isn't merely a potential threat, now it's a potentially "grave" threat? [Jack Nicholson, in the movie, A Few Good Men, "is there any other kind?"] A fucking application by a prosecutor to a magistrate could pose a grave threat, too. Sound the alarms.
Where the question comes in on my side is why does the fed find it necessary to do this? Yes a threat is a threat we are agreed. Now if you see no problem with this great we will have to agree to disagree. I am not so sure that I would have as big a problem if it was strictly a non government organization.
All I have is an interest in history and some reading on history. The parallels between what has happened in the past and what is happening now are not hard to see from my POV. What I did learn is that for a determined "government" this type of organization is a great tool for control of the masses. And no I am not saying that is our current path nor do I think that we will be anytime soon as long as the citizenry of the country does remain vigilant for both internal and external threats.
If you are not able to see them that is OK. I could be totally wrong ... then again I could be right.