Best Buy's Geek Squad - Getting More (Or Less) Than You Bargained For

[toobfreak]

Possession of child porn is a crime itself because the material is the result of a criminal activity.

Then every server and search engine in the world is guilty of a crime. Let me know when Google goes to jail. Google, Bing and every other search engine provider are child pornographers. Saving a picture off the web that just pops up for free is not criminal activity. It does not create a "demand." The people who took that picture and put it there do not know you looked at it, saved it, nor do they profit from it. It is still there whether or not you view it or not and busting people for the stuff is a total cop out because it does nothing to address the real problem. It is all for show, just like busting some dude for smoking a joint. The FBI could eliminate porn off the web in a BLINK, if they really wanted to! Think about it, they know so well right where it is, they can filter it and separate it from all the rest at the click of a mouse!

these people get busted for having it ON their hard drive

Then let me know when all the world's search engines get busted. You are creating no demand by viewing pictures off the web because the source of those pictures has no way of knowing people looked at them, downloaded them, and no currency was exchanged. If anyone is creating a demand, it is the IPs themselves for freely spreading the stuff around for people to view. If they weren't putting it everywhere that you actually need a filter to BLOCK IT, no one would have it on their computers in the first place. And the FBI WANTS the porn out there otherwise they'd STOP IT. They WANT the stuff there because it gives them something to do to justify their having as job. Porn exists because those in power WANT IT to exist. Get a grip and wake up. If the US government really wanted to stop porn, THEY COULD DO IT IN A DAY.

Worse, the FBI is apparently PAYING Best Buy, so they are using your tax dollars, Best Buy isn't doing it to follow the law, and since the FBI allows the rampant spread of porn all over the web and does nothing to stop IPs from hosting it, you could consider this entrapment. It's all a clever gig to give a bunch of guys something to justify their paychecks. I'm not defending porn, but quite frankly, I could care less what you look at to get your jollies off. If I download a picture of a tree, I don't create a demand from the photographer of that nature scene to take more tree pictures. If people want to stop porn, stop screwing with people on the street whom you are throwing the stuff IN THEIR FACE and fix the internet that IS the SOURCE and CREATES the demand by hosting it. Go after the IP's to stop hosting the crap------ it's nothing but mind rot.

There is a difference between the transit of information and possession on a machine by you on your property, that you just stupidly gave to a 3rd party to look at.

You are making a stand on a hill that no one wants to defend.

If you transmitted the information, and have it to transmit 24/7/365, then you are in procession of that information on your machines stored on your property and are every bit as guilty if not more that the end user because YOU are the supplier of the illegal information. Let me know when Google goes to jail. I bet the FBI could get porn off Google overnight just by slapping them with a one billion dollar child pornography lawsuit! What are they waiting for?

 

[toobfreak]

No one is reporting them for regular porn you idiot. They are getting reported for having child porn.

And how do you know what is child porn when it gets intermixed in with everything? You ask to see a washing machine and you get dirty pictures! Do you know if that girl is really 18 just because the picture says so? You are beating a dead horse ruining innocent people's lives for having pictures for personal use that are freely available and hosted around the world by every internet provider and search engine in the world. Downloading a picture does not create a "demand" or a "market." The stuff was there before you were born and would still be there had you never seen it. Your saving a photo to file is an INTERNAL PROCESS in your computer, it isn't like you ordered it off of Amazon, paid them, and they are mailing it to you!!!!! The real issue here is the free access to the stuff provided by the Internet which the FBI and DOJ do nothing about.

Possession of child porn is a crime, and the type you get busted for CANNOT be mistaken for anything else.

You can make possession of crab grass a crime too but it is still everywhere and does NOTHING about the supply of it and only makes further victims of people already victimized by the rampant, widespread free access to it everywhere you look. If you want to kill a tree, it's a lot easier to kill it off by going after the trunk of the tree rather than trying to prune its leaves.

BTW, it also used to be a crime for a black man not to sit in the back of a bus or eat in the same restaurant as you! Sometimes laws are simply wrongheaded and like raising the age of rifle ownership in Florida does nothing to address the cause of school shootings, criminalizing the saving of pictures widely and freely available EVERYWHERE does nothing to curb the exploitation of and harm to little children.

 

[toobfreak]

I don't care ... 'Geek Squad' is a way cooler name than 'Genius Bar'.

I've yet found a single 'genius' at the Apple Bar. Or on the phone for that matter.

 

[JakeStarkey]

toobfreak, you live in a society of laws.

 

[Ravi]

Dear Best Buy customer, while in the course of fixing your computer, if we see child porn or intent to commit acts of terrorism, we will turn you over to the proper authorities. TwoBFuckingDumbFreak, "that's not fair! I can't help it if my computer crashed!"

 

[toobfreak]

Dear Best Buy customer, while in the course of fixing your computer, if we see child porn or intent to commit acts of terrorism, we will turn you over to the proper authorities. TwoBFuckingDumbFreak, "that's not fair! I can't help it if my computer crashed!"

Apparently you are too stupid to see that if you open my computer and see pictures of train wrecks on it, that does not mean I wrecked any trains. If you find pictures of plane crashes on it, that does not mean I want to crash a plane. If I have a folder full of weather and tornadoes, that does not mean I blow any houses down. Pictures of children in sex are sad things because children are too young to understand or consent and are probably traumatized by it, and we do not understand why that turns some people on, but unless they are the actual people abusing children, they are just photos and they are just looking at pictures. Maybe they need some help. No one knows why gays are turned on by other guys, and no one understands the illness of sexual arousal by children, but if they are just pictures looked at taken off the web made elsewhere, better they seek a psychologist and maybe better the FBI focus more effort where it really counts---- on getting the bad guys who are actually taking the pictures of the children and putting them on the web, and working with the IT people to stop the distribution of such bad stuff in the first place! Then no one have it to download onto their computer, yes?

Meantime point of this thread was just to let people know that Geek Squad may or may not be snooping through your computer where they do not belong and folks should be aware of that before they choose to use them! Now, maybe you get the message.

 

[G.T.]

Dear Best Buy customer, while in the course of fixing your computer, if we see child porn or intent to commit acts of terrorism, we will turn you over to the proper authorities. TwoBFuckingDumbFreak, "that's not fair! I can't help it if my computer crashed!"

Apparently you are too stupid to see that if you open my computer and see pictures of train wrecks on it, that does not mean I wrecked any trains. If you find pictures of plane crashes on it, that does not mean I want to crash a plane. If I have a folder full of weather and tornadoes, that does not mean I blow any houses down. Pictures of children in sex are sad things because children are too young to understand or consent and are probably traumatized by it, and we do not understand why that turns some people on, but unless they are the actual people abusing children, they are just photos and they are just looking at pictures. Maybe they need some help. No one knows why gays are turned on by other guys, and no one understands the illness of sexual arousal by children, but if they are just pictures looked at taken off the web made elsewhere, better they seek a psychologist and maybe better the FBI focus more effort where it really counts---- on getting the bad guys who are actually taking the pictures of the children and putting them on the web, and working with the IT people to stop the distribution of such bad stuff in the first place! Then no one have it to download onto their computer, yes?

Meantime point of this thread was just to let people know that Geek Squad may or may not be snooping through your computer where they do not belong and folks should be aware of that before they choose to use them! Now, maybe you get the message.

dude...you are trying to rationalize looking at pedo porn

its illegal, get over it

 

[JakeStarkey]

Shut up, toobfreak. You are wrong. Period. No question. 100%. End of story.

No one has a right to have child porn on their computer.

Everyone of us, privately, has a moral duty to report it.

Those in business are governed by laws and company rules.

Just behave yourself.

 

[Asclepias]

"We have a moral and, in more than 20 states, a legal obligation to report these findings to law enforcement," Best Buy said in a statement. "We share this policy with our customers in writing before we begin any repair."

Fuck the stupid child pornographers.

So you like the idea of a stranger searching through your private files and folders while there to fix a power supply or wiring problem? It can involve much more than pornography, it is a privacy issue, and having pictures in your computer doesn't make you a child pornographer, the people on the web taking the pictures where I assume you GOT the pictures are, and the FBI ought to be more concerned with them. If the web wasn't full of the stuff to begin with, people wouldn't have it on their computers to look at.

If youre dumb enough to have private information (kiddie porn) where anyone can see it then your dumb ass needs to get reported.

 

[MindWars]

"We have a moral and, in more than 20 states, a legal obligation to report these findings to law enforcement," Best Buy said in a statement. "We share this policy with our customers in writing before we begin any repair."

Fuck the stupid child pornographers.

So you like the idea of a stranger searching through your private files and folders while there to fix a power supply or wiring problem? It can involve much more than pornography, it is a privacy issue, and having pictures in your computer doesn't make you a child pornographer, the people on the web taking the pictures where I assume you GOT the pictures are, and the FBI ought to be more concerned with them. If the web wasn't full of the stuff to begin with, people wouldn't have it on their computers to look at.

Did you even read what I quoted? One, they tell customers their policy ahead of time. Two, they are legally obligated to report child porn. The perps own fault for being both a perv and stupid.

Still, I don't know their policy. It might be buried in a lengthy legal document full of legal crap that no one ever reads, like most agreements. You bought your computer at Best Buy and are obligated to take it there for service when it breaks never expecting that someone is going to go rooting all through your computer! Like I said, it could be other things than porn (you keep coming back to that for some reason), and it isn't like the stuff is sitting right out in the open on your desktop, is it? What do they do, go through all of your folders and files looking for it? I could see it if they just happened to come across it by accident, but to me, it sounds like they are rooting all through your computer looking for anything they can find.

I don't know about you, but I run a business where I keep customer documents and other things which I'm obligated to protect. Service or not, that computer is yours, private property, and I'm not aware that taking it to a service center for repair, unless it involves the installation of a new OS or other apps that would REQUIRE extensive handling of files or folders is a waver of your private property rights? I would never buy a computer at Best Buy much less use their Geek Squad, but knowing this now, I would never use them on principle, I don't give a flying fuck what their policy is (probably on a placard up on a store wall); THERE IS NO DAMNED LAW IN THE WORLD that REQUIRES a company to search and seize your private property against your wishes and permission---- UNLESS THEY ALREADY KNOW A LAW HAS BEEN VIOLATED. And you seem to keep dodging that issue. It sounds like the GS is going out of its way snooping all through your computer LOOKING for a crime without having prior reason to suspect one has been committed! And I thought reasonable people would be concerned about that and share my feelings---- I might have known some jackass on USMB would actually DEFEND an invasion of privacy. Let me guess, your a geek squad tech at Best Buy.

I keep coming back to the porn because that is what the story was about you stupid ass. Best Buy reporting child porn on clients computers.

Your mischaracterization of Best Buy is slanderous and the output of a deep idiocy on your part.

Go smoke your weed, jackass. So your saying that if Best Buy finds a file showing where you defrauded a bank or stole from a credit union, the store won't report it? And I characterized nothing, moron, I merely reported a national article in the Modus Ponens style. Go fuck yourself. Frankly, I don't give a crap what is in your computer that you are so dear to protect, all I'm saying is to be aware that if you send your computer in for service, don't be surprised if some $8/hr kid doesn't go all through it hunting for crap to turn you in for, just like the Soviets used to do. And my guess is that if Best Buy ever got a hold of your computer, they'd have to send the Feds to your House because I can smell a creep when I see one.

The left is a little to stupid to figure out how they use kids, and drugs to pass laws then spill it out into other areas.................

It's frustrating when we can't fix stupid.

 

[MindWars]

So you like the idea of a stranger searching through your private files and folders while there to fix a power supply or wiring problem? It can involve much more than pornography, it is a privacy issue, and having pictures in your computer doesn't make you a child pornographer, the people on the web taking the pictures where I assume you GOT the pictures are, and the FBI ought to be more concerned with them. If the web wasn't full of the stuff to begin with, people wouldn't have it on their computers to look at.

Did you even read what I quoted? One, they tell customers their policy ahead of time. Two, they are legally obligated to report child porn. The perps own fault for being both a perv and stupid.

Still, I don't know their policy. It might be buried in a lengthy legal document full of legal crap that no one ever reads, like most agreements. You bought your computer at Best Buy and are obligated to take it there for service when it breaks never expecting that someone is going to go rooting all through your computer! Like I said, it could be other things than porn (you keep coming back to that for some reason), and it isn't like the stuff is sitting right out in the open on your desktop, is it? What do they do, go through all of your folders and files looking for it? I could see it if they just happened to come across it by accident, but to me, it sounds like they are rooting all through your computer looking for anything they can find.

I don't know about you, but I run a business where I keep customer documents and other things which I'm obligated to protect. Service or not, that computer is yours, private property, and I'm not aware that taking it to a service center for repair, unless it involves the installation of a new OS or other apps that would REQUIRE extensive handling of files or folders is a waver of your private property rights? I would never buy a computer at Best Buy much less use their Geek Squad, but knowing this now, I would never use them on principle, I don't give a flying fuck what their policy is (probably on a placard up on a store wall); THERE IS NO DAMNED LAW IN THE WORLD that REQUIRES a company to search and seize your private property against your wishes and permission---- UNLESS THEY ALREADY KNOW A LAW HAS BEEN VIOLATED. And you seem to keep dodging that issue. It sounds like the GS is going out of its way snooping all through your computer LOOKING for a crime without having prior reason to suspect one has been committed! And I thought reasonable people would be concerned about that and share my feelings---- I might have known some jackass on USMB would actually DEFEND an invasion of privacy. Let me guess, your a geek squad tech at Best Buy.

I keep coming back to the porn because that is what the story was about you stupid ass. Best Buy reporting child porn on clients computers.

Your mischaracterization of Best Buy is slanderous and the output of a deep idiocy on your part.

Go smoke your weed, jackass. So your saying that if Best Buy finds a file showing where you defrauded a bank or stole from a credit union, the store won't report it? And I characterized nothing, moron, I merely reported a national article in the Modus Ponens style. Go fuck yourself. Frankly, I don't give a crap what is in your computer that you are so dear to protect, all I'm saying is to be aware that if you send your computer in for service, don't be surprised if some $8/hr kid doesn't go all through it hunting for crap to turn you in for, just like the Soviets used to do. And my guess is that if Best Buy ever got a hold of your computer, they'd have to send the Feds to your House because I can smell a creep when I see one.

Says the asshole that wants to protect child pornographers.

That's not the point of is dumbass..........

It is an invasion of privacy, without your knowledge and no they DO NOT tell you the gawd dam FBI will be sent your information.

They use kids to pass BS LAWS as it spill out into just spying on everyone .

The FBI has been caught planting CHILD PORN on people's computers, and you don't even have to take it to geek squad doofus.

 

[MindWars]

It's amazing how flippen stupid people are, and how trusting of their parental gov. they are. You can tell idiots anything as long as the feds use . " IT's FOR THE KIDS or IT's FOR DRUGS" .........pathetic sheep are all for stripping EVERYONE OF THEIR RIGHTS and PRIVACY......and don't think one is not important enough to do this to.

 

[JakeStarkey]

MindWars, you of all people should not accuse others of your own defect.

 

[toobfreak]

Did you even read what I quoted? One, they tell customers their policy ahead of time. Two, they are legally obligated to report child porn. The perps own fault for being both a perv and stupid.

Still, I don't know their policy. It might be buried in a lengthy legal document full of legal crap that no one ever reads, like most agreements. You bought your computer at Best Buy and are obligated to take it there for service when it breaks never expecting that someone is going to go rooting all through your computer! Like I said, it could be other things than porn (you keep coming back to that for some reason), and it isn't like the stuff is sitting right out in the open on your desktop, is it? What do they do, go through all of your folders and files looking for it? I could see it if they just happened to come across it by accident, but to me, it sounds like they are rooting all through your computer looking for anything they can find.

I don't know about you, but I run a business where I keep customer documents and other things which I'm obligated to protect. Service or not, that computer is yours, private property, and I'm not aware that taking it to a service center for repair, unless it involves the installation of a new OS or other apps that would REQUIRE extensive handling of files or folders is a waver of your private property rights? I would never buy a computer at Best Buy much less use their Geek Squad, but knowing this now, I would never use them on principle, I don't give a flying fuck what their policy is (probably on a placard up on a store wall); THERE IS NO DAMNED LAW IN THE WORLD that REQUIRES a company to search and seize your private property against your wishes and permission---- UNLESS THEY ALREADY KNOW A LAW HAS BEEN VIOLATED. And you seem to keep dodging that issue. It sounds like the GS is going out of its way snooping all through your computer LOOKING for a crime without having prior reason to suspect one has been committed! And I thought reasonable people would be concerned about that and share my feelings---- I might have known some jackass on USMB would actually DEFEND an invasion of privacy. Let me guess, your a geek squad tech at Best Buy.

I keep coming back to the porn because that is what the story was about you stupid ass. Best Buy reporting child porn on clients computers.

Your mischaracterization of Best Buy is slanderous and the output of a deep idiocy on your part.

Go smoke your weed, jackass. So your saying that if Best Buy finds a file showing where you defrauded a bank or stole from a credit union, the store won't report it? And I characterized nothing, moron, I merely reported a national article in the Modus Ponens style. Go fuck yourself. Frankly, I don't give a crap what is in your computer that you are so dear to protect, all I'm saying is to be aware that if you send your computer in for service, don't be surprised if some $8/hr kid doesn't go all through it hunting for crap to turn you in for, just like the Soviets used to do. And my guess is that if Best Buy ever got a hold of your computer, they'd have to send the Feds to your House because I can smell a creep when I see one.

Says the asshole that wants to protect child pornographers.

That's not the point of is dumbass..........

It is an invasion of privacy, without your knowledge and no they DO NOT tell you the gawd dam FBI will be sent your information.

They use kids to pass BS LAWS as it spill out into just spying on everyone .

The FBI has been caught planting CHILD PORN on people's computers, and you don't even have to take it to geek squad doofus.

The same unthinking jackass who accuses people of wanting to protect child pornographers by merely suggesting it would be most effective to go after the people actually CREATING the porn and distributing it around the world to every home and every phone, is probably a big supporter of Planned Parenthood that killed something like 650,000 babies last year alone.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Fallacy of false equivalency

The best to prevent child porn is to turn it in wherever it is found

 

[martybegan]

Possession of child porn is a crime itself because the material is the result of a criminal activity.

Then every server and search engine in the world is guilty of a crime. Let me know when Google goes to jail. Google, Bing and every other search engine provider are child pornographers. Saving a picture off the web that just pops up for free is not criminal activity. It does not create a "demand." The people who took that picture and put it there do not know you looked at it, saved it, nor do they profit from it. It is still there whether or not you view it or not and busting people for the stuff is a total cop out because it does nothing to address the real problem. It is all for show, just like busting some dude for smoking a joint. The FBI could eliminate porn off the web in a BLINK, if they really wanted to! Think about it, they know so well right where it is, they can filter it and separate it from all the rest at the click of a mouse!

these people get busted for having it ON their hard drive

Then let me know when all the world's search engines get busted. You are creating no demand by viewing pictures off the web because the source of those pictures has no way of knowing people looked at them, downloaded them, and no currency was exchanged. If anyone is creating a demand, it is the IPs themselves for freely spreading the stuff around for people to view. If they weren't putting it everywhere that you actually need a filter to BLOCK IT, no one would have it on their computers in the first place. And the FBI WANTS the porn out there otherwise they'd STOP IT. They WANT the stuff there because it gives them something to do to justify their having as job. Porn exists because those in power WANT IT to exist. Get a grip and wake up. If the US government really wanted to stop porn, THEY COULD DO IT IN A DAY.

Worse, the FBI is apparently PAYING Best Buy, so they are using your tax dollars, Best Buy isn't doing it to follow the law, and since the FBI allows the rampant spread of porn all over the web and does nothing to stop IPs from hosting it, you could consider this entrapment. It's all a clever gig to give a bunch of guys something to justify their paychecks. I'm not defending porn, but quite frankly, I could care less what you look at to get your jollies off. If I download a picture of a tree, I don't create a demand from the photographer of that nature scene to take more tree pictures. If people want to stop porn, stop screwing with people on the street whom you are throwing the stuff IN THEIR FACE and fix the internet that IS the SOURCE and CREATES the demand by hosting it. Go after the IP's to stop hosting the crap------ it's nothing but mind rot.

There is a difference between the transit of information and possession on a machine by you on your property, that you just stupidly gave to a 3rd party to look at.

You are making a stand on a hill that no one wants to defend.

If you transmitted the information, and have it to transmit 24/7/365, then you are in procession of that information on your machines stored on your property and are every bit as guilty if not more that the end user because YOU are the supplier of the illegal information. Let me know when Google goes to jail. I bet the FBI could get porn off Google overnight just by slapping them with a one billion dollar child pornography lawsuit! What are they waiting for?

So what you are saying is you want the FBI to shut downt the internet instead of admitting anyone who ships their computer to Best Buy with child porn on it waives their 4th amendment protections?

 

[martybegan]

No one is reporting them for regular porn you idiot. They are getting reported for having child porn.

And how do you know what is child porn when it gets intermixed in with everything? You ask to see a washing machine and you get dirty pictures! Do you know if that girl is really 18 just because the picture says so? You are beating a dead horse ruining innocent people's lives for having pictures for personal use that are freely available and hosted around the world by every internet provider and search engine in the world. Downloading a picture does not create a "demand" or a "market." The stuff was there before you were born and would still be there had you never seen it. Your saving a photo to file is an INTERNAL PROCESS in your computer, it isn't like you ordered it off of Amazon, paid them, and they are mailing it to you!!!!! The real issue here is the free access to the stuff provided by the Internet which the FBI and DOJ do nothing about.

Possession of child porn is a crime, and the type you get busted for CANNOT be mistaken for anything else.

You can make possession of crab grass a crime too but it is still everywhere and does NOTHING about the supply of it and only makes further victims of people already victimized by the rampant, widespread free access to it everywhere you look. If you want to kill a tree, it's a lot easier to kill it off by going after the trunk of the tree rather than trying to prune its leaves.

BTW, it also used to be a crime for a black man not to sit in the back of a bus or eat in the same restaurant as you! Sometimes laws are simply wrongheaded and like raising the age of rifle ownership in Florida does nothing to address the cause of school shootings, criminalizing the saving of pictures widely and freely available EVERYWHERE does nothing to curb the exploitation of and harm to little children.

my god, you are a loon.

Possession of child porn is a crime. production is a crime. I have no issues with throwing the book at either.

 

[JakeStarkey]

toobfreek's assertions are simply loony. He makes Marty look center mainstream in his opinions. Wow!

 

[martybegan]

toobfreek's assertions are simply loony. He makes Marty look center mainstream in his opinions. Wow!

He's a bit off, but your assumption that the middle of a given position is the right position is wrong.

 

[JakeStarkey]

toobfreek's assertions are simply loony. He makes Marty look center mainstream in his opinions. Wow!

He's a bit off, but your assumption that the middle of a given position is the right position is wrong.

Your assumption of what you think I assumed is wrong, as usual. You are speaking in absolutes: so foolish.