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Before Obama Egypt was an Ally. Now... not so much.
It was Mubarak who was the "ally" of the US - something for which this dictator was handsomely compensated to keep him in power.
Hosni Mubarak was somewhat like the Shah of Iran, loved by America but in their own countries ..... not so much!
Have we entered into an alliances with the new government of Egypt?
Have we entered into an alliances with the new government of Egypt?
Do we normally drop alliances when a government changes? When Tony Blair was no longer PM, did we drop our alliance with GB?
Acting like what?
Acting like the self-righteous police of the world. Setting up bases, launching attacks from unmanned drones, chalking up the death of innocents as collateral damage, amongst other things.
Would Americans be okay with that if another nation said it wasn't as bad as it seems?
Should I assume you agreed with the rest of the lengthy post?
"The self-righteous police of the world"? Is that how you see it?
It's hard to comment on your entire post without knowing what your specific objections are.
Have we entered into an alliances with the new government of Egypt?
Do we normally drop alliances when a government changes? When Tony Blair was no longer PM, did we drop our alliance with GB?
Acting like the self-righteous police of the world. Setting up bases, launching attacks from unmanned drones, chalking up the death of innocents as collateral damage, amongst other things.
Would Americans be okay with that if another nation said it wasn't as bad as it seems?
Should I assume you agreed with the rest of the lengthy post?
"The self-righteous police of the world"? Is that how you see it?
It's hard to comment on your entire post without knowing what your specific objections are.
I just named three specific objections, why don't you start with those. Of the three which ones, if hypothetically occurring, would create anger amongst the innocent civilians in the US?
"The self-righteous police of the world"? Is that how you see it?
It's hard to comment on your entire post without knowing what your specific objections are.
I just named three specific objections, why don't you start with those. Of the three which ones, if hypothetically occurring, would create anger amongst the innocent civilians in the US?
Typically, when we're conducting military operations within the borders of someone else's country, setting up bases, etc, we've either had their permission to do so or we've conquered that country in war. Now, of course NO ONE wants to see the tragedy of "collateral damage", and of course we're sad and sorry whenever that happens. It's understandable that people get upset by that. The only recent examples I can think of where we've made incursions though would be in Pakistan, like the one where Obama ordered Navy Seals to get bin Laden. As far as drones go, I don't weep for terrorists, but I also don't think we should strike Americans without due process, or kill if we can capture. But there again, it's Obama with a "hit list" and apparently more willing to kill than to house POW's.
See, this is what I don't understand about Obama's supporters... he's out-Bush'd Bush in all the things they claimed to hate. And yet, they worship on.
This is as good a thread to say this as any, although I'm sure I'll see the need to repeat it elsewhere.
After we were attacked on 9-11, eventually Bush explained that the reason we were attacked was because 'they' hated our freedom. I couldn't help but ask myself what the HELL was Bush talking about. What nonsense.
The REAL reason the rest of the world hates us is because we (meaning our gov't) incessantly talks ABOUT freedom, but we support dictators and despots who oppress, and abuse, and even KILL their own people because they 'play ball' with us. Now, MAYBE that was understandable in the days of the Cold War when tensions between the West and the East were heightened by thousands of ICBMs being pointed at one another, but that's not been the case for twenty years now. No, those despots we prop up sell us us their oil or other natural resources at bargain basement prices, and WE sell their people down river simply so that we can live in ever greater comfort.
So, when the people of Egypt and other ME nations rise up to throw off the shackles of their oppressors, what is the response of those freedom-loving conservatives? They want us to prop up the dictator because dictatorship is their preferred form of gov't.
If you don't believe that, take a look at how they approach governing THIS country. They HATE compromise. They LOATHE bipartisanship. They don't want to work with the president or the Democrats, and they're not interested in reaching a consensus agreement. The budget battle last year that resulted in a ratings downgrade was proof of that. No, conservatives want to take over the gov't and force their agenda on everyone else...just like the dictatorship of Mubarak that they so admired.
I just named three specific objections, why don't you start with those. Of the three which ones, if hypothetically occurring, would create anger amongst the innocent civilians in the US?
Typically, when we're conducting military operations within the borders of someone else's country, setting up bases, etc, we've either had their permission to do so or we've conquered that country in war. Now, of course NO ONE wants to see the tragedy of "collateral damage", and of course we're sad and sorry whenever that happens. It's understandable that people get upset by that. The only recent examples I can think of where we've made incursions though would be in Pakistan, like the one where Obama ordered Navy Seals to get bin Laden. As far as drones go, I don't weep for terrorists, but I also don't think we should strike Americans without due process, or kill if we can capture. But there again, it's Obama with a "hit list" and apparently more willing to kill than to house POW's.
See, this is what I don't understand about Obama's supporters... he's out-Bush'd Bush in all the things they claimed to hate. And yet, they worship on.
You sound as calm and rational as someone that hasn't really considered the reality of the other perspective.
I don't think they'll care that you understand how tough that must be, it didn't even work on me.
Typically, when we're conducting military operations within the borders of someone else's country, setting up bases, etc, we've either had their permission to do so or we've conquered that country in war. Now, of course NO ONE wants to see the tragedy of "collateral damage", and of course we're sad and sorry whenever that happens. It's understandable that people get upset by that. The only recent examples I can think of where we've made incursions though would be in Pakistan, like the one where Obama ordered Navy Seals to get bin Laden. As far as drones go, I don't weep for terrorists, but I also don't think we should strike Americans without due process, or kill if we can capture. But there again, it's Obama with a "hit list" and apparently more willing to kill than to house POW's.
See, this is what I don't understand about Obama's supporters... he's out-Bush'd Bush in all the things they claimed to hate. And yet, they worship on.
You sound as calm and rational as someone that hasn't really considered the reality of the other perspective.
I don't think they'll care that you understand how tough that must be, it didn't even work on me.
I'll endeavor to be more hysterical and irrational next time.
When Barack Obama was sworn in, Egypt was our ally in the Middle East. Now, even from his own mouth, it can no longer be considered to be so. Video: Obama On Egypt: We Don't "Consider Them An Ally, But We Don't Consider Them An Enemy" | RealClearPolitics
Even MSNBC can't cover for Barack Obama's LOSS of Egypt, as we see in this reporter's reaction to Obama's statement that Egypt can't be considered an ally:
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The bottom line is the bottom line. That's why we call it that. In 2008, we had a reliable relationship with Egypt, today, they're throwing rocks at our embassy and pulling down our flag. And IF the mob could get into the building, I have no doubt in my mind that our State Dept. staff there would meet the same fate as their counterparts in Libya.
Barack Obama is a foreign policy disaster, who has presided over the religious radicalization of Middle East, lost our relationships there, and is off campaigning today.
You sound as calm and rational as someone that hasn't really considered the reality of the other perspective.
I don't think they'll care that you understand how tough that must be, it didn't even work on me.
I'll endeavor to be more hysterical and irrational next time.
The point is a lack of consideration for any interests other than our own is what directs our foreign policy, and it's a recipe for disaster.
It shouldn't be a surprise when things go shitty because of it.
The only way I can think of to make you realize that is if you try to visualize something similar happening to us here, as hard as it may be to.