Barbarians at the Bus Door

[Hollie]

Barbarians at the Bus Door

Alert Israelis prevented what could have been a horrific islamo-slaughter.


Palestinians shot after trying to board bus carrying kids - CNN.com

Knife-wielding Palestinians shot after trying to board bus carrying children

Jerusalem (CNN)Two Palestinian men armed with knives tried to board a bus carrying children in Israel but were forced back by people inside the vehicle, police said.



Gee-had denied you collection of Islamic lowlifes.

 

[montelatici]

 

[Hollie]

Until the islamist occupation of Gaza'istan is ended, Islamic terrorist Pal'istanians are on the endangered species list.

 

[MJB12741]

I hope the Pali's won't push Israel to have to do to them what Jordan had to during Black September.

 

[MJB12741]

Truly, for their own good Palestinains need to learn the first law of the hole. When you're already in one --- stop digging.

 

[Hollie]

Truly, for their own good Palestinains need to learn the first law of the hole. When you're already in one --- stop digging.

Or maybe the Israeli pharmaceutical industry can develop a drug that treats Pal'istanian Mentality.

 

[montelatici]

Would that Palestinian mentality be the pesky desire not to be under Israeli military occupation?

 

[MJB12741]

Truly, for their own good Palestinains need to learn the first law of the hole. When you're already in one --- stop digging.

Or maybe the Israeli pharmaceutical industry can develop a drug that treats Pal'istanian Mentality.

Nice thought but quite an endever. Palestinian mentality is a multi facet phenomenon. Here are some examples: "Israel is stealing 'Palestinian' land" when Jews were indigenous Palestinians. "Israel is committing a genocide on the Palestinians" when there were 1.2 million Palestinians living in Israel in 1948 & over 6 million Palestinians living in Israel now. And the funniest one to me is how they bitch about how many more dead Palestinians there are after each conflict than Israeli's & still the Palestinians continue to attack Israel.

 

[Hollie]

Would that Palestinian mentality be the pesky desire not to be under Israeli military occupation?

Actually, Pal'istanian Mentality is a symptom of a debilitating disease that was first seen on the Arabian Peninsula about 1,400 years ago.

 

[MJB12741]

Palestinian supporters prove beyond any doubt that one need not necessarily have to be a Palestinian to have a Palestinian mentality.

 

[Phoenall]

So speaks the Jew hater who should be sacked for taking sides

 

[Phoenall]

Truly, for their own good Palestinains need to learn the first law of the hole. When you're already in one --- stop digging.

Or maybe the Israeli pharmaceutical industry can develop a drug that treats Pal'istanian Mentality.

They have and it is half an ounce of lead fired from a tube between the eyes of the Palestinian see the patient is now cured, dead but cured

 

[montelatici]

Would that Palestinian mentality be the pesky desire not to be under Israeli military occupation?

Actually, Pal'istanian Mentality is a symptom of a debilitating disease that was first seen on the Arabian Peninsula about 1,400 years ago.

Would prominent Palestinians like Fouad Twal, George Habash or Fahed Abu-Akel have this "Palestinian mentality"?

 

[Hollie]

Would that Palestinian mentality be the pesky desire not to be under Israeli military occupation?

Actually, Pal'istanian Mentality is a symptom of a debilitating disease that was first seen on the Arabian Peninsula about 1,400 years ago.

Would prominent Palestinians like Fouad Twal, George Habash or Fahed Abu-Akel have this "Palestinian mentality"?

Have they been cured?

I guess the treatment protocol was a bit late for your heroes trying to get on an Israeli bus with their knives.

 

[Phoenall]

Would that Palestinian mentality be the pesky desire not to be under Israeli military occupation?

Actually, Pal'istanian Mentality is a symptom of a debilitating disease that was first seen on the Arabian Peninsula about 1,400 years ago.

Would prominent Palestinians like Fouad Twal, George Habash or Fahed Abu-Akel have this "Palestinian mentality"?

They are Palestinian by nationality only, they are not Palestinian by religion.

 

[montelatici]

Would that Palestinian mentality be the pesky desire not to be under Israeli military occupation?

Actually, Pal'istanian Mentality is a symptom of a debilitating disease that was first seen on the Arabian Peninsula about 1,400 years ago.

Would prominent Palestinians like Fouad Twal, George Habash or Fahed Abu-Akel have this "Palestinian mentality"?

Have they been cured?

I guess the treatment protocol was a bit late for your heroes trying to get on an Israeli bus with their knives.

Were the members of the ANC that attacked whites on buses with knives or shot white police during the struggle against Apartheid in SA also afflicted?

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

There is very little similarities between the African National Congress (ANC) and the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) --- or --- the Palestinians in general. The greatest leader to emerge in the ANC recognized violence as a "possibility" he ultimately rejected; and came to the conclusion that it was the least of the options and would not lead to the success.

Nelson Mandela
Web Site: Moral Heroes
South Africa
Listed in 20th Century, Africa, Male, Political, Social

On February 10, 1990, after a series of secret talks, F.W. de Klerk, the newly appointed president granted Mandela his freedom. The following two years brought on a slew of violent massacres, assassinations, and strained negotiations. Though Mandela still considered violence as a possible method for resisting against apartheid, he chose to advocate for peaceful negotiations with de Klerk. Eventually they persevered and apartheid ended. Mandela, de Klerk and the other political parties worked together to develop a constitution for a democratic government without racial discrimination.

Four years later, the 75 year old Mandela became the first democratically elected president of South Africa. His term in office was spent transitioning his nation into a democracy and reconciling the racial tensions.
​

Were the members of the ANC that attacked whites on buses with knives or shot white police during the struggle against Apartheid in SA also afflicted?

(COMMENT)

Part of the characteristics the Arab Palestinians seem to hold near collectively are those traits which seem to orbit Narcissistic Personality Disorder Traits; in particular are those traits that are associated with Accountability. Examine the Arab Palestinian defenses and tactics of this narcissistic personality disorder trait, where they always advocate and argue for violence through "all means available."

Nelson Mandela’s choice of a peaceful path
Posted by Joel Gabri on 6 December 2013

It was the manner of Nelson Mandela’s stubborn and steely resolve to stick to his goal of a peaceful political settlement in South Africa that sets him apart from other leaders.

Of that I became convinced whilst working as a political reporter during the turbulent and often violent early 1990s in apartheid South Africa.

Mandela’s absolute determination to keep moving forward on a peaceful path, in the face of intolerable provocations, rather than resort to revenge or violence, was unheard of at the time. I recall two USA diplomats commenting that if the multi-party negotiation process succeeded, it would be a world first.​

Personality Disorder Traits:
• Avoidance:Refusing to recognise or acknowledge the incident as real or important to you
• Excuses: Making up stories or reasons for the behaviour that are not genuine or valid excuses
• Accusations:Blaming someone else for the wrongdoing
• False Apology: Saying a ‘sorry’ that is not a genuine apology, and expecting you to accept it
• Confusion: Creating antics over trivial points in the conversation to shift and confuse the focus
• Projection: Stating ‘what you did wrong’ regarding the particular topic by using ammunition from the past that has nothing to do with the present incident
• Using Allies:Quoting people real or imagined to back their ‘story’ of excuses, or to discredit you​

I recommend that you change your anaolgy or attempt at an association between the methods employed by the ANC of Nelson Mandela, that achieved a democratic government. It taints the character and memory of a man that was directly opposite of HAMAS policies and positions; or that of the greater population.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

Would that Palestinian mentality be the pesky desire not to be under Israeli military occupation?

Actually, Pal'istanian Mentality is a symptom of a debilitating disease that was first seen on the Arabian Peninsula about 1,400 years ago.

Would prominent Palestinians like Fouad Twal, George Habash or Fahed Abu-Akel have this "Palestinian mentality"?

Have they been cured?

I guess the treatment protocol was a bit late for your heroes trying to get on an Israeli bus with their knives.

Were the members of the ANC that attacked whites on buses with knives or shot white police during the struggle against Apartheid in SA also afflicted?

Yes with neo Marxist mentality, and did you know that more blacks were murdered by the ANC in one year that the whites killed in 40 years ?

 

[MJB12741]

One thing history has taught us is nio matter what, Palestinians will be Palestinians. They will not bow to reason for betterment of their own people.

 

[montelatici]

montelatici, et al,

There is very little similarities between the African National Congress (ANC) and the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) --- or --- the Palestinians in general. The greatest leader to emerge in the ANC recognized violence as a "possibility" he ultimately rejected; and came to the conclusion that it was the least of the options and would not lead to the success.

Nelson Mandela
Web Site: Moral Heroes
South Africa
Listed in 20th Century, Africa, Male, Political, Social

On February 10, 1990, after a series of secret talks, F.W. de Klerk, the newly appointed president granted Mandela his freedom. The following two years brought on a slew of violent massacres, assassinations, and strained negotiations. Though Mandela still considered violence as a possible method for resisting against apartheid, he chose to advocate for peaceful negotiations with de Klerk. Eventually they persevered and apartheid ended. Mandela, de Klerk and the other political parties worked together to develop a constitution for a democratic government without racial discrimination.

Four years later, the 75 year old Mandela became the first democratically elected president of South Africa. His term in office was spent transitioning his nation into a democracy and reconciling the racial tensions.
​

Were the members of the ANC that attacked whites on buses with knives or shot white police during the struggle against Apartheid in SA also afflicted?

(COMMENT)

Part of the characteristics the Arab Palestinians seem to hold near collectively are those traits which seem to orbit Narcissistic Personality Disorder Traits; in particular are those traits that are associated with Accountability. Examine the Arab Palestinian defenses and tactics of this narcissistic personality disorder trait, where they always advocate and argue for violence through "all means available."

Nelson Mandela’s choice of a peaceful path
Posted by Joel Gabri on 6 December 2013

It was the manner of Nelson Mandela’s stubborn and steely resolve to stick to his goal of a peaceful political settlement in South Africa that sets him apart from other leaders.

Of that I became convinced whilst working as a political reporter during the turbulent and often violent early 1990s in apartheid South Africa.

Mandela’s absolute determination to keep moving forward on a peaceful path, in the face of intolerable provocations, rather than resort to revenge or violence, was unheard of at the time. I recall two USA diplomats commenting that if the multi-party negotiation process succeeded, it would be a world first.​

Personality Disorder Traits:
• Avoidance:Refusing to recognise or acknowledge the incident as real or important to you
• Excuses: Making up stories or reasons for the behaviour that are not genuine or valid excuses
• Accusations:Blaming someone else for the wrongdoing
• False Apology: Saying a ‘sorry’ that is not a genuine apology, and expecting you to accept it
• Confusion: Creating antics over trivial points in the conversation to shift and confuse the focus
• Projection: Stating ‘what you did wrong’ regarding the particular topic by using ammunition from the past that has nothing to do with the present incident
• Using Allies:Quoting people real or imagined to back their ‘story’ of excuses, or to discredit you​

I recommend that you change your anaolgy or attempt at an association between the methods employed by the ANC of Nelson Mandela, that achieved a democratic government. It taints the character and memory of a man that was directly opposite of HAMAS policies and positions; or that of the greater population.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are quite wrong. Mandela made the decision to turn to violence. You are out of your depth, as usual. You only read and believe propaganda, Rocco, that's your weakness.



“Mandela’s” proposal

By the end of 1960, popular resistance seemed to be crushed. The flames of the burning passes had been put out by the bullets of Sharpeville and Langa. The week long stay-away called for the 19 April 1960 failed to raise the spirit of a dejected people. Those liberation leaders who escaped the massive state clampdown slipped out of the country to begin re-organising resistance from abroad. For Mandela, this was the turning point. "If the government reaction is to crush by naked force our non-violent struggle," he told a gathering of local and foreign press in a safe house, "we will have to reconsider our tactics. In my mind we are closing a chapter on this question of a non-violent policy."

Various suggestions have been given on who and how the idea and the decision to take up arms came into being. One is that the proposal was first made to the ANC by Mandela in June, but Ben Turok suggests that it was in one private meeting between April and May 1960, which comprised of a handful of SACP activists, Yusuf Dadoo, Jack Hugson, Joe Matthews, Michael Hermal, Moses Kotane, Ben Turok, and Ruth First. Bram Fischer and Bartholomew Hlapane. At this meeting Michael Hermel presented a proposal of a move towards armed struggle. The proposal, according to Ben Turok, suggested that:

“”¦peaceful methods of struggle were over; that one had to now look at alternatives; and that the alternative was armed struggle - violence. And it set this in the context of Marxist theory and communist theory, and revolutionary practice."

This proposal was later presented to individuals within the ANC, and it therefore pre-dates the 1961 decision of the ANC to begin the armed struggle.

At an ANC Working Committee meeting in June 1961 Mandela presented the proposal for a military wing, initially Moses Kotane disagreed. He argued that: "There is still room for the old methods if we are imaginative and determined enough." Eventually, however, Kotane agreed to the matter being raised with the National Executive.

Later that month the National Executive met in Durban. Like all ANC meetings at the time, the meeting was secret and held at night in order to avoid the police. Mandela anticipated difficulties. There was no doubt that the timing was poor. At the Treason Trial, the ANC had contended that non-violence was an inviolate principle of the movement, not simply a tactic. He knew, furthermore, that Chief Luthuli's commitment to non-violence was deeply moral and feared his opposition. However, Luthuli was ultimately persuaded. "If anyone thinks I am a pacifist", he said, "let him try to take my chickens, and he will know how wrong he is!" Luthuli’s suggestion was that the military movement should be a separate and independent organ, linked and under the overall control of the ANC but fundamentally autonomous. In this way the legality of the unbanned allies would not be jeopardised. The NEC agreed.

The following night, the Joint Executive met in Durban including representatives from the Indian Congress, the Coloured People's Congress, the South African Congress of Trade Unions and the Congress of Democrats. Chief Luthuli opened the meeting by saying that even though the ANC had endorsed the decision on violence, "it is a matter of such gravity, I would like my colleagues here tonight to consider the issue afresh”.

For Mandela, this was a sign that the chief was not one hundred percent convinced by his proposal. However, when the session opened at 8pm, Mandela presented his arguments once again. Maulvi Cachalia pleaded with the ANC not to take up arms, arguing that the state would slaughter the whole liberation movement. "Non-violence has not failed us, we have failed non-violence", pleaded JN Singh.

"We argued the entire night", recalled Mandela, but then suddenly MD Naidoo, a member of the South African Indian Congress, said to his Indian colleagues: "Ah, you are afraid of going to jail, that is all!" By dawn, Mandela had his authority.

Nelson Mandela of the ANC and Joe Slovo of the SACP were mandated to form the new military organisation and its high command, separate from the ANC. The policy of the ANC would still be that of non-violence. They were authorised to join with whomever they wanted or needed to create this organisation and they would not be under the direct control of the mother organisation (ANC)."

- See more at: uMkhonto weSizwe (MK) | South African History Online